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Garvin's avatar

Previous posts had 262 and 230 mostly-negative comments; this one had eight (8) comments, and yet you claim it was "well-received".

The post was actually offensive, an attempt to stir up machlokes. You were smart to hide it behind a pay wall, because you know darn well you would have been called out for it, and rightfully so.

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Natan Slifkin's avatar

An attempt to stir up machlokes??!!

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Garvin's avatar

Everyone in the county - secular and religious - is united. I see videos every day of charedim doing everything they can, visiting the breaved, bringing food, helping with kvurah, even joining the army in record numbers. I've not heard a peep of complaint from the soliders themselves, the only ones that matter. Yet you began your post baselessly asserting, "And when this war is over, there is going to be a rift between charedi and Zionist society which will be greater than ever seen before." That's called stirring up machlokes.

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Natan Slifkin's avatar

Because (A) charedim are helping, but virtually none are in combat, and (B) the ones you don't see on videos are the 150,000 not helping who are in yeshiva.

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Garvin's avatar

1) The soldiers themselves show no signs of such ill feelings, only those not serving or who never served.

2) If only combat counts then none of the female soldiers count. Same for those in the medic corps, transport, food supply, logistics, etc. Same for everyone playing a role in keeping the country running. The fact that certain groups are at risk deserves our recognition and thanks, but doesn't mean others aren't pulling their weight.

3) Regardless of whether you are right or I am right - one should not be פורץ

גדר at this time. At a later point we can go back to the same old debates (which includes political blame games.) Right now is a time to focus on our real enemies. You saw the Guy Hochman videos going around? That's our focus, and nothing else.

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Natan Slifkin's avatar

1) you spoke to them all? And all their families?

2) will address in next post

3) poretz geder?? Focus on real enemies?? The charedi community is being poretz geder in standing aside and not focusing on fighting our real enemies. Rav Dovid Cohen thundered against bnei yeshivah helping in any way at all, even with chesed projects.

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Yekutiel Weiss's avatar

Offensive because the truth hurts. Time for Chareidim to own up to their misdeeds.

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Leib Shachar's avatar

I've been very involved in the sugya of the amma, the shortest legitimate size I know of is 17.5 inches, or 44.5 cm, presented in ספר מידות ושיעורי תורה by Rabbi Chaim Benish, based on both archeology and the Rambam. Are you looking for smaller than that?

(As far as your first point, I always was of the impression that it would be more effective with the tone of your last article.)

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Yakov's avatar

https://www.ynet.co.il/news/article/rkavmflzp

There are changes happening in the charedi society. This war can become a powerful catalist.

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Ash's avatar

ChatGPT may help for translation

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Mikhail Olivson's avatar

Wish I could help with the translation. I can translate to Russian, but that has little to zero value in both Charedi and Dati Leumi circles, probably.

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Avi Rosenthal's avatar

Maybe you can translate the post yourself. Feed it into Google Translate and edit what comes out. I assume that you have lived in Israel long enough to edit Google Translate Hebrew-->English output well enough to make it look translated by a human.

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Mikhail Olivson's avatar

Translation is very delicate thing. Google Translate is awful for translating anything longer than a word.

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ChanaRachel's avatar

He seems to be saying that people [soldiers] who give up their lives for the Clal are on the highest possible [spiritual] level...and then says that means that one should daven for them, and that the tzibbur "owes" them an infinite debt.

But don't Chareidim want to be on the highest spiritual level? If so, shouldn't they be the ones fighting, and not the ones davening?

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Leib Shachar's avatar

Very famous speech. How does that come in to this post? (Or do you just bring it up because of the war now?)

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Ephraim's avatar

המכנה שם לחברו אין לו חלק לעולם הבא

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David Ilan's avatar

Well….you are to be fair….

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Natan Slifkin's avatar

"they were grateful to have another armed man around, and assured him he was very much wanted here. My own ears heard them say this. They were not resentful even one bit, even though their sons will likely be in any ground action."

Because he was armed and would be protecting them!!!!!!

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ChanaRachel's avatar

The issue isn't a particular individual who for whatever reason doesn't serve, or serves in a non-combat role, or guarding his own Yishuv. Not everyone needs to be a combat soldier in a special unit.

The problem begins when *entire communities don't serve*. In my son's neighborhood, 70 out of 100 adult men were called up, in a different community the statistics could be 1 out of 100. In one community 70% of wives or mothers aren't sleeping at night, while in another community, as active as the residents are helping chayyalim in various ways, and busy and engaged as they may be, no one is living with gut-wrenching fear on a daily basis.

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Natan Slifkin's avatar

Exactly. And this is something that many charedim fail to understand. It's a community-level issue.

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Yekutiel Weiss's avatar

Great! If the Chareidim are willing to pick up weapons to defend the Yishuv then we can conscript them for that! The Gerer Rebbe opposed it. Shas was for it. The Gerer Rebbe won out. What's new?!

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Michael Sedley's avatar

Wonderful that your son is volunteering in the Yishuv Guard, and that he is trained to use a weapon which he is using to protect the yishuv. Presumably the volunteer hours means that he is spending less time in the Beit Midrash than he would be if he wasn't volunteering.

Would you say that this is typical of the people in his Yishuv, that most of the men are spending time out of the Beit Midrash defending the yishuv, or volunteering for the war effort in other ways, or is your son an exception.

If most of the able-bodied men in the yishuv have followed your son's example, and reduced their time in the Beit Midrash so that they can physically protect the land (in addition to spiritually protecting through their Talmud Torah, Tfillot, and Ma'asim Tovim), than this is a wonderful change in attitude from at least part of the Haredi community.

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