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זכרון דברים's avatar

Why is there no way for posts like this to exist without blatant nasty lies?

Reb Dov Landau said not to daven for soldiers?!?!?!?

And Rabbi Morgenstern, who is no major figure in Haredidom, also did not say not to daven for Israeli soldiers. For those who read the source.

The true answer is שבתך בתוך מרמה במרמה מיאנו דעת אותי. The Slifkins of the world are not mere amei ha'aretz. They are also not plain anti-vaxxers who think that ignorance is no obstacle to bombastic opinions. They are soaked and pickled in מרמה, everything they not only say, but even think and consider, is מרמה. This is why they think they can argue with Chazal without even learning, this is why they can denigrate Talmidei Chachamim without finding out what they actually said, this is why they can promote warped hashkafos with no understanding. Because במרמה מיאנו דעת אותי.

The mendacity of these posts is not a bug, it is a feature. Only with Sheker can the Slifkins of the world sleep comfortably at night.

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shulman's avatar

this is an outsider's perspective. if you listen closely, the chareidim do believe they are doing their part. by learning Torah. there is absolutely nothing selfish about that. there is nothing selfish about caring about God's word. especially if God said to care about that. what you did is split up the chareidi argument into three parts, cast out the first two and totally ignore that they are one big mix of simple ideology. we feel that Torah is the proper way of life. we will not give that up easily. and if you ask, isn't that selfish? the answer is "no" - we are doing our part, as God instructed. again, there may be problems, such as focus too much on God's Torah, but these are detail issues (which may not have good solutions anyways) which any insider realizes that it's not something to dismiss. instead of demonizing the 'selfish chareidim' (though your tone was mostly fine, thank you), maybe try to appreciate our input, as we learn to appreciate the (so to speak second class) zevuluns and gads.

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