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shulman's avatar

Nice articulation.

You are missing some important implementation practicalities, ones which make a lot of your issues moot.

1. No one wakes up being a posek hador. Like you say about training for army service, that it starts from a young age, here also. We teach our kids about the gedolim; they are the legends who we all try to emulate. We hang their pictures on our walls. We relate stories and impart lessons from them and their teachings. We constantly impress on our kids the single-focused importance of the Torah to your nation. We then send them off to the yeshivos in hopes that they absorb the beauty of Torah first hand and swim in it's depths. This way they are part of this community intimately.

Not everyone will stay in learning, but even those who become zevuluns appreciate the importance of those in learning and allow this continuum, without despising the fact that they are supporting Torah.

If we begin to stress other things this has an obvious detrimental affect on the whole system.

No doubt, like any culture, there are downsides which need to be addressed but this doesn't take away from the importance of the system.

2. The years from 18 till 23 at least are the most formative years of learning. this is when the bachurim get to taste the higher level shiurim and really learn how to dissect a sugya. We wouldn't take this away without extreme circumstances. So even if you manage to address some of the issues - and you may find solutions when it comes to going to work - but the army is just during this interval in a person's life. it's far from simple.

3. Last point, you still need to provide evidence that more people are needed there are able as many reservists in Israel add I'm the entire US (I think the US has like 370k). The Israeli army, as far as numbers and passion is very high. The nationalism is greater than most countries. So do we really need to be mevatel Torah? We are only mevatel Torah when it's truly necessary. Predictions and maybes don't work here.

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Yehoshua's avatar

I will take the liberty of stating my personal opinion here.

I personally agree (כיהודה ועוד לקרא) to Rav Tzvi Yehudah Kook that all yeshiva bochurim should receive a 10–12-year deferral. After that there should be a draft on anyone except the Talmidei Chachamim which Klal Yisroel need, as you admitted here. In fact, it may be very healthy for chareidi society if everyone would be forced to accept on themselves the yoke of either becoming a Talmid Chacham or eventually going to the army.

I guess this position makes me a DL as I am accepting the opinion of Rav Tzvi Yehudah Kook, and according to David Ohsie chareidim would never accept this.

However, I imagine that if chareidim won't accept this it has more to do with temporary practical concerns than long-term ideological ones.

In a few words, they simple don't trust the secular heads of the state and army in their decisions, especially those decisions that have any religious significance. This is not the place to discuss at length all that this entails, especially as I have no intimate knowledge of this subject. This is just my evaluation from across the sea.

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