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דוד™️'s avatar

I'm not really getting involved in the actual bill right now, but being that Tisha B'Av we mourn the loss of השראת השכינה in this world, and מיום שחרב כו' אין להקב"ה בעולמו אלא ד"א של הלכה because that is where the שכינה rests now, it is quite the time of year to appreciate לימוד התורה באמת! Just saying...

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"They want only charedi young men to receive these exemptions and benefits (and they prefer not to address how the growing numbers of such people will indeed threaten the economy and national security)."

Your arguments aren't new, and neither are the responses.

http://slifkinchallenge.blogspot.com/2014/03/refusing-to-serve-in-ideologically.html

"To be more accurate and less slanted I would rephrase this as follows:

"They want an army, but they demand that it not be used as a cynical tool for breaking down the basic values of their community and that the government/army show a genuine willingness to fully accept their religious standards and norms."

If these demands and norms (even when factoring out full-time learning) makes army service impractical, whose fault is that?

The only reason they are demanding financial support and encouraging mass long-term kollel is because you cannot legally work without first serving in the army--an army which is designed to make you conform to IDF mentality, obey the whims of secular commanding officers, and break down your religious values and sensitivities.

The fact that the Dati-Leumi community has made peace with such an environment is not a source of pride to them. That is the true chillul Hashem--sacrificing religious standards and values under pressure. To the extent that Dati-Leumi solders are jailed or discharged [without benefits] for insisting on serious commitment to halacha is where they make a genuine kiddush Hashem. The Chareidim are doing the same thing--only before entering the army.

It is the height of intolerance to fault the chareidim for insisting on remaining chareidim. Chareidim are more than willing to go to work and make a financial, military, etc. contribution to society--but on their terms and in ways that do not undermine their identity."

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