Strike 2! I'm not quite getting how your (mis)understanding of some anonymous 'Chareidi' speaker groping around for Dvar Torah material is somehow supposed to be proof that the 'Charedi approach to Judaism' is that 'is that Torah and mitzvos is all that counts, and hishtadlus is entirely irrelevant, and basically pointless and unnecessary'. Well, I heard of a speech from a MODOX 'rabbi' that Yetzias Mitzrayim never happened. And that the world is populated with reptilians who control humans with invisible strings. And much more kefira and nonsense.
Hishtadlus IS necessary but is pointless without siyata dishmaya. From following your blog for over half a year, it appears that you feel that hishtdalus is ALL that is necessary, and siytata dishmaya is 'fluffy spirituality'. That's why you feel that soldiers who are mechalelei Shabbos and boalei Niddos do more for the state than Talmidei Chachomim learning Torah.
But I have some bad news, doc! The Torah teaches us otherwise. Sefer Bamidbar is full of warnings that if people don't keep the Torah (such as Shabbos and Nidda) they will be expelled from the land and our enemies will be able to triumph over us. The Gemara in Bava Basra teaches us that Talmidei Chachomim learning Torah act as a protection, and thus Talmidei Chachomim are exempt from draft. Does hishtadlus play a role? Certainly! But it's highly questionable what you hope to gain from your hishtadlus when it is counterproductive, such as sending young kids to a morally bankrupt atmosphere. Maybe if you make Avi Maoz the Minister of Defense, more Chareidim (who aren't holding by protecting the country through learning Torah) will join the army ;) ....
I still find it EXTREMELY ironic that the modern day Misyavnim think that they represent the Chashmonaim. The Chashmonaim seem more likely to have been a combination of Ben Gvir and Yerushalmis rolled into one!!!!!
“…Well, I heard of a speech from a MODOX 'rabbi' that Yetzias Mitzrayim never happened. And that the world is populated with reptilians who control humans with invisible strings. And much more kefira and nonsense…”
Please name the MODOX rabbi that stated Yetzias Mitzrayim never happened and reptilians control humans. I doubt that it’s true but go ahead and point out the apikores so all your chareidi friends may join you in reviling him. Just remember, libel laws protect folks like him, much more in Israel than USA.
But then again, your groping around for folks to brand as apikores is as tortuous as all those ersatz Dvar Torahs.
UW, while I am referring to someone specific (RYK), you completely missed my point!! I was just saying that Slifkin deciding what Chareidi society's position on something based on being stuck at a random Chanukah party listening to a nameless speaker is just as ludicrous as if I were to decide the MODOX position on something based on a random MODOX rabbi!
In point of fact Greece is only indirectly involved with Chanukah. Our enemies more specifically were Hellenized Jews and Syrians. There was no Greek army per se, no Athenians, no Spartans, no Macedonians. Just a bunch of wannabee "Greeks." We're still dealing with wannabees of one kind or another today.
Thanks for this, Michael. It always annoys me when people talk about Maccabees fighting Greeks when no one from the Greek mainland or even actual Greek colonies was involved. While there were royals and others of Greek ancestry on the Seleucid side, the great majority of the enemy army were Hellenized men from Israel's east, not actual Greeks from its west.
Antiochus IV Epiphanes was Greek. His father's ancestry extended back to one of Alexander of Makedon's generals. His mother was from Hellenized Persian royalty of Pontus. No Syrian ancestry at all, his culture was Greek, his language was Greek, his religion was Greek paganism.
Well, then, halakhically speaking, Antiochus was Persian, not Greek. I repeat, our quarrel was not with Greece, per se, it was with Hellenized Jews, Syrians, Persians, and the descendant of A Grecian general. Quod Erat Demonstrandum.
Where is Dr Slifkin's retraction about vaccines? Top Israeli immunologist says they are dangerous....but Professor Slifkin will continue with his holy science charade.......
"But what does Greece have to do with Chanukah? she asked.
Reminds me of the Baalas Tshuva born of an intermarriage whose mother didn't want her to know anything about Judaism and whose father simply didn't know anything. Somehow she ended up in a Baalas Tshuva seminary but was unfortunately the most ignorant. Everyone else knew about gefilteh fish, the Pesach Seder ... at least something. She new nothing but her friends patiently helped her out.
Then once in a class the word "Yom Kippur" came up. She called out, "oh, I know what that is! That's the name of a war."
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Strike 2! I'm not quite getting how your (mis)understanding of some anonymous 'Chareidi' speaker groping around for Dvar Torah material is somehow supposed to be proof that the 'Charedi approach to Judaism' is that 'is that Torah and mitzvos is all that counts, and hishtadlus is entirely irrelevant, and basically pointless and unnecessary'. Well, I heard of a speech from a MODOX 'rabbi' that Yetzias Mitzrayim never happened. And that the world is populated with reptilians who control humans with invisible strings. And much more kefira and nonsense.
Hishtadlus IS necessary but is pointless without siyata dishmaya. From following your blog for over half a year, it appears that you feel that hishtdalus is ALL that is necessary, and siytata dishmaya is 'fluffy spirituality'. That's why you feel that soldiers who are mechalelei Shabbos and boalei Niddos do more for the state than Talmidei Chachomim learning Torah.
But I have some bad news, doc! The Torah teaches us otherwise. Sefer Bamidbar is full of warnings that if people don't keep the Torah (such as Shabbos and Nidda) they will be expelled from the land and our enemies will be able to triumph over us. The Gemara in Bava Basra teaches us that Talmidei Chachomim learning Torah act as a protection, and thus Talmidei Chachomim are exempt from draft. Does hishtadlus play a role? Certainly! But it's highly questionable what you hope to gain from your hishtadlus when it is counterproductive, such as sending young kids to a morally bankrupt atmosphere. Maybe if you make Avi Maoz the Minister of Defense, more Chareidim (who aren't holding by protecting the country through learning Torah) will join the army ;) ....
I still find it EXTREMELY ironic that the modern day Misyavnim think that they represent the Chashmonaim. The Chashmonaim seem more likely to have been a combination of Ben Gvir and Yerushalmis rolled into one!!!!!
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“…Well, I heard of a speech from a MODOX 'rabbi' that Yetzias Mitzrayim never happened. And that the world is populated with reptilians who control humans with invisible strings. And much more kefira and nonsense…”
Please name the MODOX rabbi that stated Yetzias Mitzrayim never happened and reptilians control humans. I doubt that it’s true but go ahead and point out the apikores so all your chareidi friends may join you in reviling him. Just remember, libel laws protect folks like him, much more in Israel than USA.
But then again, your groping around for folks to brand as apikores is as tortuous as all those ersatz Dvar Torahs.
UW, while I am referring to someone specific (RYK), you completely missed my point!! I was just saying that Slifkin deciding what Chareidi society's position on something based on being stuck at a random Chanukah party listening to a nameless speaker is just as ludicrous as if I were to decide the MODOX position on something based on a random MODOX rabbi!
DUH.
In point of fact Greece is only indirectly involved with Chanukah. Our enemies more specifically were Hellenized Jews and Syrians. There was no Greek army per se, no Athenians, no Spartans, no Macedonians. Just a bunch of wannabee "Greeks." We're still dealing with wannabees of one kind or another today.
Thanks for this, Michael. It always annoys me when people talk about Maccabees fighting Greeks when no one from the Greek mainland or even actual Greek colonies was involved. While there were royals and others of Greek ancestry on the Seleucid side, the great majority of the enemy army were Hellenized men from Israel's east, not actual Greeks from its west.
Antiochus IV Epiphanes was Greek. His father's ancestry extended back to one of Alexander of Makedon's generals. His mother was from Hellenized Persian royalty of Pontus. No Syrian ancestry at all, his culture was Greek, his language was Greek, his religion was Greek paganism.
Well, then, halakhically speaking, Antiochus was Persian, not Greek. I repeat, our quarrel was not with Greece, per se, it was with Hellenized Jews, Syrians, Persians, and the descendant of A Grecian general. Quod Erat Demonstrandum.
How does that make him Persian. By non Jews nationality goes after the father which would make him Greek
Where is the retraction?!
https://vinnews.com/2022/12/20/former-head-of-israel-biological-institute-i-made-three-mistakes-pfizer-vaccines-are-dangerous/
Where is Dr Slifkin's retraction about vaccines? Top Israeli immunologist says they are dangerous....but Professor Slifkin will continue with his holy science charade.......
https://vinnews.com/2022/12/20/former-head-of-israel-biological-institute-i-made-three-mistakes-pfizer-vaccines-are-dangerous/
"But what does Greece have to do with Chanukah? she asked.
Reminds me of the Baalas Tshuva born of an intermarriage whose mother didn't want her to know anything about Judaism and whose father simply didn't know anything. Somehow she ended up in a Baalas Tshuva seminary but was unfortunately the most ignorant. Everyone else knew about gefilteh fish, the Pesach Seder ... at least something. She new nothing but her friends patiently helped her out.
Then once in a class the word "Yom Kippur" came up. She called out, "oh, I know what that is! That's the name of a war."
Funny and sad at the same time.
The real story of Chanukah.
https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/2013-12-01/ty-article/the-astonishing-real-story-of-hanukkah/0000017f-e0e8-d38f-a57f-e6faf9210000
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Deer RNS - How do rationalists deal with the Oil Miracle ? Do they admit a supernatural event occurred ? Do they attempt naturalistic explanations ? ACJA
Why deer? Turkey is more accurate.
I receive these posts by email to rationalistjudaism@substack.com. However, in the email, I don't see the pictures/graphics. For that, I have to open the post on the web. My mail software is Microsoft Outlook. And it is not because I have to tell Outlook to download the pictures. Anyone else have the same problem?
The email address I use is @MSN.COM , which is an Outlook.com address, accessed with Mozilla Firefox browser. The images in the posts are displayed. Try performing a DNS flush. (You should be able to find out how to do that with a Google search.)