If someone walks into a group and sees the tremendous dedication to their values, an altruistic attitude that transcends tribalism and personal ambition, self-negation and personal growth, along with strong families and a value system that is not open to the winds of the day, he can easily ignore these complaints. When someone mentions them, he will not be disturbed by them.
However, if a person has 'spoiled milk in his glasses', all he will see is spoiled milk. If your starting point is politics and other such filth, then of course your view of every person with a dusty black hat will be associated with gender-separate beaches.
Rabbi Pesach Krohn spoke about this years ago when Lapid first started campaigning. He asked why is Lapid becoming popular? Why is there this hate? R. Krohn responded that its because Charedim arent teaching the klal about the beauty of the Torah. Instead of focusing on things that bring klal yisrael together they focus on pushing everyone apart.
Rabbi Slifkin, I'm continually amazed at the number of people who seem to read your blog so that they can immediately find a reason to disagree with it, logically or otherwise.
Here you've given an example of a resource that is available in a finite number (beaches in Israel). And you've pointed out that people who've used those beaches for years would be highly resentful if access were taken away from them and given to another group of people.
And yet at least half-a-dozen posters have used your point as a pretext to write about something completely different.
In general, hatred of the other, however the term is defined, is based on competition. Antisemites, for example, resent the fact that Jews are over-represented in professions.
What irks me is that
1. You concede that the hareidim might have a just claim
2. You ignore the fact that almost all religious Zionists also want separate beaches.
3. You seem to be justifying hatred. It is only a short step to acting on it in an illegal manner.
Ironically, in this week's parsha we learn about the consequences of such hatred. Rivka said that if there would be curse, it would be עלי. The Gra says that they are rashei teivot:
עשו, who wanted to kill the body, לבן, who wanted to kill the soul, and the worst of all, יוסף, hatred between brothers.
This is besides the point, but of course you can find plenty of answers to the question of "Why do people hate Jews?" as well. "Is there no possible reason why people hate Jews? You can't conceive of ANY possible reason?" Just look on any antisemitic/pro-Palestinian website, or read any of the hundreds of books of antisemitic literature. You will find plenty of reasons for resentment against Jews. And many of the reasons have some validity. We don't like talking about it, but our enemies have no problem talking about it.
So this is the author's explanation explaining why it is logical to hate Haredim? Replace the word 'Haredim' with the word 'Jew' in this article and you have a pefect article written by Goebles in DeSturmer.......
In Ashdod, the chareidim make up a third of the population, and the separate beach is less than 10% , and let’s not forget how many people come to Ashdod beach in the summer from bnei brak, yerushalayim etc., so I don’t see much of an issue with them asking for more beach space.
I think that you honestly have a mental block on anything chareidi…..
<<doubling the payments to people in yeshivah and kollel...>>
The word doubling sounds scary, but what's the actual amount? A whopping 750 shekels a month? What's about pensioners who come to Israel from former Soviet republics (half of which are not even Jewish) and get 6,000/month per person?
How dare the Chareidim ask for something that they deserve by law in proportion to their population!
Let me get this straight- you want Chareidim to go to the army, pay full taxes, and not receive any governmental benefits that rightfully belong to then based on their proportion to the population because ot might cause resentment! Chareidim are not people, so their rights don't matter.
If this was a gay beach, of course the beach would be approved, despite there being less of a reason for gays to receive their own beach than the chareidim.
Only the chareidim are expected to participate in Israeli society and not receive the benefits they deserve due to resentment.
(Can you put all the comments on the same page as the post? It's inconvenient to have to switch pages when having to compare the comments & the post. Either way, Cheers!)
It all depends on the starting point.
If someone walks into a group and sees the tremendous dedication to their values, an altruistic attitude that transcends tribalism and personal ambition, self-negation and personal growth, along with strong families and a value system that is not open to the winds of the day, he can easily ignore these complaints. When someone mentions them, he will not be disturbed by them.
However, if a person has 'spoiled milk in his glasses', all he will see is spoiled milk. If your starting point is politics and other such filth, then of course your view of every person with a dusty black hat will be associated with gender-separate beaches.
Rabbi Pesach Krohn spoke about this years ago when Lapid first started campaigning. He asked why is Lapid becoming popular? Why is there this hate? R. Krohn responded that its because Charedim arent teaching the klal about the beauty of the Torah. Instead of focusing on things that bring klal yisrael together they focus on pushing everyone apart.
Rabbi Slifkin, I'm continually amazed at the number of people who seem to read your blog so that they can immediately find a reason to disagree with it, logically or otherwise.
Here you've given an example of a resource that is available in a finite number (beaches in Israel). And you've pointed out that people who've used those beaches for years would be highly resentful if access were taken away from them and given to another group of people.
And yet at least half-a-dozen posters have used your point as a pretext to write about something completely different.
(Sigh.)
In general, hatred of the other, however the term is defined, is based on competition. Antisemites, for example, resent the fact that Jews are over-represented in professions.
What irks me is that
1. You concede that the hareidim might have a just claim
2. You ignore the fact that almost all religious Zionists also want separate beaches.
3. You seem to be justifying hatred. It is only a short step to acting on it in an illegal manner.
Ironically, in this week's parsha we learn about the consequences of such hatred. Rivka said that if there would be curse, it would be עלי. The Gra says that they are rashei teivot:
עשו, who wanted to kill the body, לבן, who wanted to kill the soul, and the worst of all, יוסף, hatred between brothers.
This is besides the point, but of course you can find plenty of answers to the question of "Why do people hate Jews?" as well. "Is there no possible reason why people hate Jews? You can't conceive of ANY possible reason?" Just look on any antisemitic/pro-Palestinian website, or read any of the hundreds of books of antisemitic literature. You will find plenty of reasons for resentment against Jews. And many of the reasons have some validity. We don't like talking about it, but our enemies have no problem talking about it.
So this is the author's explanation explaining why it is logical to hate Haredim? Replace the word 'Haredim' with the word 'Jew' in this article and you have a pefect article written by Goebles in DeSturmer.......
In Ashdod, the chareidim make up a third of the population, and the separate beach is less than 10% , and let’s not forget how many people come to Ashdod beach in the summer from bnei brak, yerushalayim etc., so I don’t see much of an issue with them asking for more beach space.
I think that you honestly have a mental block on anything chareidi…..
<<doubling the payments to people in yeshivah and kollel...>>
The word doubling sounds scary, but what's the actual amount? A whopping 750 shekels a month? What's about pensioners who come to Israel from former Soviet republics (half of which are not even Jewish) and get 6,000/month per person?
How dare the Chareidim ask for something that they deserve by law in proportion to their population!
Let me get this straight- you want Chareidim to go to the army, pay full taxes, and not receive any governmental benefits that rightfully belong to then based on their proportion to the population because ot might cause resentment! Chareidim are not people, so their rights don't matter.
If this was a gay beach, of course the beach would be approved, despite there being less of a reason for gays to receive their own beach than the chareidim.
Only the chareidim are expected to participate in Israeli society and not receive the benefits they deserve due to resentment.
Rabbi, I love the Sufgania next to my name! Cheers!
(Can you put all the comments on the same page as the post? It's inconvenient to have to switch pages when having to compare the comments & the post. Either way, Cheers!)
Is this post a straw man, or have you examples of figures in the chareidi world expressing bewilderment at the fact that others resent them?