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Typical. Play dumb and pretend you don't understand the difference. Gay politicians are the same as indicted Chareidi politicians. Because Chareidim are the worst. Devil incarnate. Snot nosed boogie monster moochers. Unholy Chazal defyers.

Besides for the fact that homosexuality is an extraordinary sin, referred to by the Torah as a Toeiva and the final cause of the Mabul, for someone who is 'openly gay', it DEFINES him. It is a lifestyle of immorality. However even the most indicted politician who curiously has a new criminal investigation opened into him every time new elections are announced does not CONDONE or encourage theft and corruption and admits it's a crime.

It's possible that some politicians occasionally stumble in sin and most live a life of sin, but I don't recall you denouncing Lapid and all the other secularists even though they do not live a kosher lifestyle. But go after the politicians that at least attempt to follow the Torah.

To quote our old friend Shimson: Retarded!

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Better they should condone all sin than be hypocrites?

What is your own position on gay politicians according to "your own values"?

That a gay received this position gets fleeting attention, or none at all except as a springboard to focus on Hareidi problems?

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Open challenge to the Dr Rabbi and anyone else here:

How do you explain the chazal of מאי אהנו לי לרבנן

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Jan 5, 2023·edited Jan 5, 2023

I could be very cynical and say that people expect politicians to be crooks. Simon Cameron, who himself was a politician, said "An honest politician is one who when he's bought stays bought". However, I agree that stealing is a very serious matter. False weights and measures are also designated as toeva. However, if we compare the halachic punishments, mishkav zachar is certainly much worse. Moreover, the hareidi politicians in question deny, or at least do not brag about it. Ohana thanked his "husband" for his support from the Knesset rostrum.

I also question if an official must be without sin. Chazal say that only four people in history reached that level. I also would remind you that being "under suspicion" is far from a conviction. The State Prosecutor's Office tried to convict both Yaakov Ne'eman and Avigdor Lieberman and wound up with egg on its collective face.

The Jewish Law Bureau of the State Prosecutor's Office has a discussion on the subject of whether an official can get his job back. From the synopsis of sources I saw, if he did teshuva, he goes back, except for killing someone. There Rabbi Meir allows him to go back but Rabbi Yehuda does not. In fact, Chazal say that an official should have a shady past. The commentators explain that he understands human weakness.

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There are so many "Chilul Hashems" going on in society today (unfortunately from the frum too) that it has lost much of its import. But in my opinion, there is another factor that is more critical than "chillul Hashem", when it comes to the mishkav zachor issue. I said this years ago when Obama ym"sh pushed through the Iran Nuclear Deal. Netanyahu, to the dismay of Obama ym"sh, gave a worthy and convincing speech to Congress how terrible that "deal" would be. But, he made one HUGE mistake that I believe doomed his effort; he threw in the line, "and they hang gays." I tyna that one line is reason why Obama ym"sh was able to push it through. I'm not addressing whether hanging gays is the appropriate thing to do, albeit the evil Iranian regime has but one Zechus, they recognize the abomination of mishkav Zachor. It is a terrible indictment Klapei Shomya, to countenance m"z, defying Hashem Who characterized it as a toeva. Especially when it is obvious to any bar sechel that is the case (that it is abnormal and a toeva). So here the Iranian mullas are not duped by "the Emperor's New Clothes Syndrome" redefining m"z as normal and acceptable, yet the brilliant Netanyahu and many others are (or at least publicly say so)!

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Then over the weekend I read the Anglo Chareidi paper's rundown of the new Knesset's first session. They mentioned Ohana being the speaker, said nothing about him or the silent Chareidi protests, and went on with the news.

It's interesting that the silent Chareidi protests should be more interesting than all the loud heckling that others did.

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You are fundamentally misunderstanding the role and stature of Charedi politiicians. Charedi politicians are not leaders, they have no independent opinions, they are there to do whatever the Moetzes Gedolei Hatorah tells them to do. They are not the best and the brightest of charedi society, they are actually people who couldn't fulfill the Charedi ideal of sitting and learning all day. Aryeh Deri is the head of Shas because he is a very good politician who faithfully executes the wishes of the Moetzes and gets things done. He is not a role model. Amir Ohana on the other hand is a leader, he answers to no one and therefore it is very different. Based on the above, no one in the Charedi community says Aryeh Deri evaded taxes so it must be right. The charedi community looks to the gedolim for guidance not politicians. Aryeh Deri is not pushing an agenda of tax evasion, bribery et. Amir Ohana on the hand is pushing the gay agenda. He supports gay marriage, gay people adopting/having kids etc. He is trying to normalize the gay lifestyle. That is much worse then Aryeh Deri.

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Both ? ACJA

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So instead of voting for Deri, they should have voted for whom?

They took the best choice that they had. Of course politicians are terrible people. No ehrliche person goes into that business. But we need politicians.

This purist attitude that the Edah Charedis/Natan Slifkins of the world have towards advancing Torah will be the destruction of all of us if we do not repudiate it.

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What a joke to compare political sins - which all politicians make, including the politicians you love - to an outspoken homosexual speaker! This ape, this reptile (sorry apes and reptiles) is speaker of a Jewish state? The State of Israel is anything but Israel. It's a state, that's all.

All decent people should vomit. And Netanyahu is a fake Jew. He cares about democracy, but the Torah is a joke to him.

The funny part is that his own daughter ran from him so fast...all the way to Meah Shearim. She couldn't handle him. He's great on issues such as stopping Iran from going nuclear, but the moment anything comes into contact with Halacha and Judaism, he is a snake in the grass like the rest of the 1% and 0% Jews.

He should have been too nauseated to elect that reptile, but he is so deep in the morass of non-Jewish wannabe-ism, it's a lost case.

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It is mindblowing to me, that a party that reveres Maran O. Yossef זצ"ל, does largely ignore what the opinion of Maran about the politician you mention was. He could not have been clearer.

The question you ask is interesting. While it is obvious that a supposedly ben Torah filled with yirat shamaim cam very easily cause a chillul Hashem, can a non-religious Jew that transgresses Torah really cause a chillul Hashem? Or are non-observant Jews rather a reflection of the state of our community at large?

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Jan 5, 2023·edited Jan 5, 2023

בשו"ת דברי חיים (ח"א חו"מ סי' כה עמ' קכו) במכתב לבנו, כתב: ובעיני ראיתי גודל העושק הנעשה בעיר והכל לש"ש, וגם אם נמנה איזה נאמן מסתמא נוטה אחר הנגידים כידוע וגם אם לפעמים נושאים ונותנים שני אנשים או ג' משני הצדדים דרך שכמה יבואו לרצח אביונים ומי שיתמנה לעסק זה יקויים בו דברי בעל הטורים ז"ל אין אדם נעשה שוטר מלמטה אא"כ נעשה רשע מלמעלה. ולכן אהובי בני צריך להתיישב הרבה אם הוא לטובת השענקרס שרובם עניים כידוע ולא לטובת הנגידים המכוונים לש"ש.

The charedi paries are essentially kehiah organizations of the shtetl. Democracy is a fraud and the chilonim are no better. When were things different? This is human nature and the way of the world. Nothing will change.

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