He did get one thing right when he mentioned "their war." On October 7, his community carried on as if nothing was happening because none of them were receiving emergency call ups. When yomtov was over and it was clear that no charedi yishuvim had been attacked and there were no charedi casualties, they breathed a sigh of relief that their lives could go on as before and they did on October 8, 9 etc. Their yeshivot carried on as normal without additional tefilot or learning and bein hazmanim was not changed.
There is a way to change this, particularly given the manpower shortages in the IDF. Every town with close to zero enlistment such as Beitar illit and Kiryat Sefer should have all govt run security removed from them. After all, it's not their war and they have the merit of their Torah learning to protect them anyway. This will at least free up some soldiers to be deployed elsewhere and suddenly, you can be sure, it will become "their war" as well when they have to take responsibility for their own security.
Can only appreciate your honesty and your commitment in keeping us informed about the Chareidi situation. They are a burden on Clal Yisraeli and will be so until the politicians fulfill their duties to the people and start to deal effectively with the situation
I have posted many comments over the years taking issue with your harsh descriptions of the charedim that I argued should have been crafted in a manner more likely to solve problems than inflame them. You have not heard much from me in a while, not because I haven't been reading or have up but because I have not really had anything to disagree with much. But I will take up your challenge at the end and unequivocally decry the Ausband article as evil drivel. I will not say the same about the video from R' Landau only because I cannot make out what he is saying clearly enough. It seems possible he is talking about those settler types who attack Arabs for what he calls kavod hamedina.
It would be nice if R’ Landau were talking only about the hilltop vigilantes, but really, you believe that? Why?
He has long and repeatedly expressed hateful vitriol for Zionists of every sort, indeed for anyone supporting the state בגופם או בממונם , no matter their “Zionist” ideology or no ideology.
So, sorry, but no. He’s slandering the majority of the Jewish people, not a handful of violent kahanists. I would need strong evidence to think otherwise.
He just says "there are evil people who wear kipot serugot" and "if the state sent them would it be allowed to kill people only for the honor of the state?" and that they do this. It's just not clear what in the world he's talking about here, which itself is bad. But I'm not ready to condemn something unless I'm sure what it is. I think that's reasonable. I certainly believe the statement about being better off without the state is delusional.
His “question” is directed at “hovshei kippot srugot” who claim to be bnei torah, and he’s asking whether in their “stupidity” (punning on shitaseihu/shtuseihu) it is allowed (מותר) to go put to kill people “to glorify the state”. He is clearly embracing the viewpoint of Israel’s enemies, viz. that Israel glorifies “killing people”, that the state of Israel is a force of violent, homicidal evil.
There’s nothing ambiguous about his slander. It’s how antisemites world wide portray us.
I have mixed emotions here. As Jews, we are brought up to engage in Torah learning, כי הם חיינו, and to respect תלמידי חכמים. The Torah also teaches that אין אדם בארץ אשר יעשה טוב ולא יחטא, and that we should nevertheless judge everyone’s actions לכף זכות. Hence, there is always room to respectfully disagree while continuing to trust in the capacity for self-reflection, particularly among תלמידי חכמים.
Personally, I have deep respect and gratitude for all our brave soldiers who stand and defend עם ישראל from those who seek to harm us, and who sacrifice themselves על קידוש השם. May Hashem protect them.
The problem with an ideology is that it obfuscates objective facts and solutions and reality.
The religious nationalist dati leumi believe that the land is sacred,given to the avos and every generation.It in and of itself is not state specific.
Because a state exists it is a Mitzvah gedola to protect it’s population.
The great Rabbi Berel Wein,zt’l,had said that it was a great miracle to have Britain take control after WW1.After the Ottoman collapse and the realignment of the four empires,it was a prerequisite for a Jewish presence far beyond the secular Zionist settlements.
Even though the actual Zionist movement was against all religious Jewish Aliyah before the state,they,and their leader Stephen Wise,facilitated secular settlement,especially during the German massacre of all Jews.
Any Moslem control of the land would have precluded any Jewish settlement,even after the shoah.The Muslim mentality would never allow it.
The religious “zionists”,see the land as kodesh,and settlement a personal religious obligation.They have come as individuals and families,not en masse.They are an objective and honorable class.
The ideological extremism of many chareidim,have clouded any objectivity,to protect the people.This is not a Torah value,let alone a mitzvah.
The requirement to kill an enemy first before you are killed,is the first requirement for any future of Torah anywhere,at all times.
The lack of any change in attitude is preeminent in the mindset.Moshe Rabbenu for certain did not himself cross the Yam Suf in a kapote and shtreimel.
All over 20 years,were ready to protect as required of adult males who go to war.
The great shtetels of Eastern Europe were saturated with working males who learned Torah at night.The picture books of “Polyn”,by Alter Kacyzne, and “To Give Them Light”,by Roman Vishniac,are proof of this.They often were conscripted into their home countries to fight wars at young ages,even against fellow Jews.
As my grandfather in Hungary, and great,great grandfather in Poland,as a cantonist Russian child conscript,having to divorce his young wife,being a Kohen and possible MIA.
Yeshivas were not common as full time duty until after the war and rebuilding.The fellow secular Jews and empty left wing leadership and mentality is enough of a burden.
The Rabbi Landau statement was targeted at the “knitted kippa” enemies in his view Zionists.The state is where the people in context of this statement live.Landau is against any state.The Zionist element is about Zion,the land and why they make Aliyah.
Their obligation is to protect the land that they live in.
The Druze and Bedouin also serve as required,but not Arabs.
At least there’s no “Sinat chinam” in the message; it’s obviously “hidden ahavas Yisrael,” through and through….very mystical. Difficult got “Rationalists” to comprehend the depths of the message…
And when it comes to giving to “Yeshivat” like this, I am so far gone that I’m “through,” too.
It’s refreshing to know what the “little gedolim,”standing on the shoulders of previous generations as their claim to “bigness,” in close proximity, for the first time in over a thousand years, to the ashes and ruins of the Beit HaMikdash (not to mention in living memory of the ashes of the previous generation) feel they have the right to say about the government and the people of the land they live in, and the government and people who protect them.
Hopefully they are grateful, at least, in the knowledge that if they lived in neighboring Muslim countries, and said things like that about the Muslim rulers of those countries, they and their families, and their communities would pay dearly…on top of the JIZYA, of course.
Grateful or not, whether they like them or hate them, they rely on “those people.”
He did get one thing right when he mentioned "their war." On October 7, his community carried on as if nothing was happening because none of them were receiving emergency call ups. When yomtov was over and it was clear that no charedi yishuvim had been attacked and there were no charedi casualties, they breathed a sigh of relief that their lives could go on as before and they did on October 8, 9 etc. Their yeshivot carried on as normal without additional tefilot or learning and bein hazmanim was not changed.
There is a way to change this, particularly given the manpower shortages in the IDF. Every town with close to zero enlistment such as Beitar illit and Kiryat Sefer should have all govt run security removed from them. After all, it's not their war and they have the merit of their Torah learning to protect them anyway. This will at least free up some soldiers to be deployed elsewhere and suddenly, you can be sure, it will become "their war" as well when they have to take responsibility for their own security.
Can only appreciate your honesty and your commitment in keeping us informed about the Chareidi situation. They are a burden on Clal Yisraeli and will be so until the politicians fulfill their duties to the people and start to deal effectively with the situation
I have posted many comments over the years taking issue with your harsh descriptions of the charedim that I argued should have been crafted in a manner more likely to solve problems than inflame them. You have not heard much from me in a while, not because I haven't been reading or have up but because I have not really had anything to disagree with much. But I will take up your challenge at the end and unequivocally decry the Ausband article as evil drivel. I will not say the same about the video from R' Landau only because I cannot make out what he is saying clearly enough. It seems possible he is talking about those settler types who attack Arabs for what he calls kavod hamedina.
It would be nice if R’ Landau were talking only about the hilltop vigilantes, but really, you believe that? Why?
He has long and repeatedly expressed hateful vitriol for Zionists of every sort, indeed for anyone supporting the state בגופם או בממונם , no matter their “Zionist” ideology or no ideology.
So, sorry, but no. He’s slandering the majority of the Jewish people, not a handful of violent kahanists. I would need strong evidence to think otherwise.
He just says "there are evil people who wear kipot serugot" and "if the state sent them would it be allowed to kill people only for the honor of the state?" and that they do this. It's just not clear what in the world he's talking about here, which itself is bad. But I'm not ready to condemn something unless I'm sure what it is. I think that's reasonable. I certainly believe the statement about being better off without the state is delusional.
His “question” is directed at “hovshei kippot srugot” who claim to be bnei torah, and he’s asking whether in their “stupidity” (punning on shitaseihu/shtuseihu) it is allowed (מותר) to go put to kill people “to glorify the state”. He is clearly embracing the viewpoint of Israel’s enemies, viz. that Israel glorifies “killing people”, that the state of Israel is a force of violent, homicidal evil.
There’s nothing ambiguous about his slander. It’s how antisemites world wide portray us.
I have mixed emotions here. As Jews, we are brought up to engage in Torah learning, כי הם חיינו, and to respect תלמידי חכמים. The Torah also teaches that אין אדם בארץ אשר יעשה טוב ולא יחטא, and that we should nevertheless judge everyone’s actions לכף זכות. Hence, there is always room to respectfully disagree while continuing to trust in the capacity for self-reflection, particularly among תלמידי חכמים.
Personally, I have deep respect and gratitude for all our brave soldiers who stand and defend עם ישראל from those who seek to harm us, and who sacrifice themselves על קידוש השם. May Hashem protect them.
The problem with an ideology is that it obfuscates objective facts and solutions and reality.
The religious nationalist dati leumi believe that the land is sacred,given to the avos and every generation.It in and of itself is not state specific.
Because a state exists it is a Mitzvah gedola to protect it’s population.
The great Rabbi Berel Wein,zt’l,had said that it was a great miracle to have Britain take control after WW1.After the Ottoman collapse and the realignment of the four empires,it was a prerequisite for a Jewish presence far beyond the secular Zionist settlements.
Even though the actual Zionist movement was against all religious Jewish Aliyah before the state,they,and their leader Stephen Wise,facilitated secular settlement,especially during the German massacre of all Jews.
Any Moslem control of the land would have precluded any Jewish settlement,even after the shoah.The Muslim mentality would never allow it.
The religious “zionists”,see the land as kodesh,and settlement a personal religious obligation.They have come as individuals and families,not en masse.They are an objective and honorable class.
The ideological extremism of many chareidim,have clouded any objectivity,to protect the people.This is not a Torah value,let alone a mitzvah.
The requirement to kill an enemy first before you are killed,is the first requirement for any future of Torah anywhere,at all times.
The lack of any change in attitude is preeminent in the mindset.Moshe Rabbenu for certain did not himself cross the Yam Suf in a kapote and shtreimel.
All over 20 years,were ready to protect as required of adult males who go to war.
The great shtetels of Eastern Europe were saturated with working males who learned Torah at night.The picture books of “Polyn”,by Alter Kacyzne, and “To Give Them Light”,by Roman Vishniac,are proof of this.They often were conscripted into their home countries to fight wars at young ages,even against fellow Jews.
As my grandfather in Hungary, and great,great grandfather in Poland,as a cantonist Russian child conscript,having to divorce his young wife,being a Kohen and possible MIA.
Yeshivas were not common as full time duty until after the war and rebuilding.The fellow secular Jews and empty left wing leadership and mentality is enough of a burden.
Zionism has nothing to do with it. The reason for protecting the population has nothing to do with the state or the land.
The Rabbi Landau statement was targeted at the “knitted kippa” enemies in his view Zionists.The state is where the people in context of this statement live.Landau is against any state.The Zionist element is about Zion,the land and why they make Aliyah.
Their obligation is to protect the land that they live in.
The Druze and Bedouin also serve as required,but not Arabs.
At least there’s no “Sinat chinam” in the message; it’s obviously “hidden ahavas Yisrael,” through and through….very mystical. Difficult got “Rationalists” to comprehend the depths of the message…
And when it comes to giving to “Yeshivat” like this, I am so far gone that I’m “through,” too.
It’s refreshing to know what the “little gedolim,”standing on the shoulders of previous generations as their claim to “bigness,” in close proximity, for the first time in over a thousand years, to the ashes and ruins of the Beit HaMikdash (not to mention in living memory of the ashes of the previous generation) feel they have the right to say about the government and the people of the land they live in, and the government and people who protect them.
Hopefully they are grateful, at least, in the knowledge that if they lived in neighboring Muslim countries, and said things like that about the Muslim rulers of those countries, they and their families, and their communities would pay dearly…on top of the JIZYA, of course.
Grateful or not, whether they like them or hate them, they rely on “those people.”