You are massively downplaying the seriousness of Gallant's comments. He undermined the government's position on a matter of critical importance an the eve of an historic vote. Whether you agree with the governments position or not, this was an extreme act, especially as it was done when the PM was out of the country. In addition, Gallant legitimized and even encouraged insubordination in the army by saying that that was the reason he was calling for a delay. Would you compromise with your adversary in the face of threats from them? It would just encourage them to continue to threaten to get more concessions. The statements of the other ministers you mentioned were very inappropriate, but it was clear they spoke for themselves and did not undermine the government's position on a critical issue.
The science is becoming clear. The longer a person stays in a position of power the greater the decay in empathy, the less able to accept new information or believe he can be wrong, and the less willing to take responsibility for his actions. Bibi has been in power too long
In all seriousness, I feel like I’m missing something here. Why can’t a system of checks and balances like that of the United States be implemented in Israel? It has a successful track record spanning two and a half centuries. It is incomprehensible that the Judiciary should possess unbridled authority, allowing them to partake in self-selection and nullify laws without any prescribed criteria, but it is likewise unconscionable for them to be deprived of all influence, while the Legislature wields unchecked power with a simple majority override. Why then cannot a reform be introduced where the justices are chosen by the legislature, and where the judiciary can solely overrule laws that are considered "unconstitutional" (requiring the composition of a proper constitution), but the legislature can override the judiciary with a two-thirds majority, by passing an amendment to the constitution? To my mind, this seems like a glaringly obvious solution.
Sigh.... The first points mentioned are par for the course for the Likud and don't directly contradict government policy. But a cabinet minister in any country must toe the line if he speaks out against government policy or not, whether or not his comment is correct. He knew he would be toast, Bibi had no choice but to dismiss him. He fell on his sword because as he stated in his tweet that for him the security of Israel is number one. He likely hopes that somehow his action, tog ether with the others (Edelstein, Amsalem ey al) will have an effect.
David, I don't know you or what you believe, but you seem not to have a grasp of what this is all about. It is a Kulturkampf over the soul of Klal Yisroel that has been waged from the day the British mandate over "Palestine" handed off management of Jewish affairs to the secular Zionist establishment after WWI. Zionism sought to transform Judaism from a Torah based lifestyle to a Western Culture lifestyle. The Zionists sought to relegate Torah Judaism into a mere commemoration of our ancient culture, much as "a living museum" just like other cultures dress up like their ancient progenitors on specific occasions and perform the song and dance from days of yore.
Torah Judaism believes living by Emuna in Hashem and the Mitzvos of the Torah is as germane today as it was when they were given on Mt. Sinai 3300 years ago. Due to numerous reasons, the Kulturkampf throughout the years sometimes flares up and sometimes goes dormant. The reason it has flared up now is because the remnant of the old Zionist views the ISC as the last hope of winning the Kulturkampf. After all, part of atheistic Western Culture is man lives only to fulfill his physical taavos and that includes not being encumbered with lots of children. Torah Judaism is the opposite. Thus when you have a Democracy, the popular vote is supposed to determine who sets the rules, in our case, the character of Israel. The old guard atheist Zionists, promoting abortion and small families are destroying their numbers. As a result, needing votes, they brought in goyim from Russia and Ethiopia to make up population in the State of people they believed would side with them in the Kulturkampf. But in the long run, BE"H they will fail. As the Kulturkampf continues, the forces of those who believe in and/or practice the Torah are getting stronger, and the opposing forces are getting desperate.
What I explained above is the correct understanding of why the Gedolei Yisroel have pushed so hard for no draft for Torah learners and women, and why the secular Zionists have pushed to draft them into their slavery. This has been the most seminal issue of the Kulturkampf.
Emasculating the ISC, is a great harbinger for the Geula!
You may ask, but Netanyahu and a lot of his friends are not Torah Jews? Isn't he doing this because it benefits him personally, politically? But they are from the 60-70% of Israelis who deep down believe in Hashem and that He gave us Eretz Yisroel. They know in their hearts that the Law and "culture" of the Jews is the Torah. Shelo Lshma Ba Lshma.
The Israel Declaration of Independence sought to omit the justification for declaring a state that Hashem gave us the Land. But in recent times, Danny Danon, UN rep of Israel got up in the UN, put on a kippa, took out a Tanach, held it up and stated, “This is our Title Deed to Eretz Yisroel!”
I oppose the judicial reform but I'm also going to disagree with you on this specific issue. Gallant came out against the stated position of the government on a core political issue, and firing him would be the standard response no matter who the PM is.
He is power hungry and needs the support of the extreme right and Haredim to survive- so who cares about the country. He also needs his court case to go away and so needs control of the court. He doesn’t care if he destroys the country in the process.
You are putting out a pshat without drash. In pshat Shaul did nothing really wrong and lost kingship. David in pshat transgressed quite a big sin and got MUCH less. There is depth behind everything. I'm not excusing or commenting on your examples but it doesn't add up to a compromise on a subject of LANDING BIBI IN JAIL, losing Deri and keeping the 9 absolutely left wing judges who are an anathema to Bibi's entire contingency. In USA 5-4 or 6-3 ratio is screamed about. In the past they never wanted any compromise and now they're paying for it. I am not exonerating anyone ( the general outlook is that the Bibi thing is ridiculous and Deri one has merit though that's not the issue) but it's not narcissistic to fight for your life as in Bibi's case.Deri is simply a fixture for many reasons and no one can change that. A compromise that keeps those 2 in and in general lessens the strength of the court but not fully is something the left would listen to? On three subjects the right winning by at least 2.33 to.66? This is why Gallant got fired, compromise has no real starting point.
He's part of the cabinet for crying out loud. Imagine a Secretary of Defense giving a press conference against a president's signature legislation he's trying to enact.
The whole cabinet leadership falls apart, everyone will feel free to undermine the leader if he doesn't take action.
It was an honorable sacrifice.
How can he publicly undermine the prime minister and anyone expect him to keep his job (his job is to communicate privately his concerns).
Of course he won't keep his job, and he knew it. Honorable it may have been, but let's not catastrophize.
Perhaps Bibi, a VERY savvy and ambitious politician, recognizes in Gallant another VERY savvy and ambitious politician, who's not merely offering advice as to what's best for the country, but looking towards his own ambitions (just as Bibi himself is)?
A) All politicians become corrupted the longer they in the government. This is about as certain as gravity.
B) "Say about a country with which Israel just made peace that you don’t like it and would never go back there" - Is the reference to UAE, the fickle "friend." which is voicing its displeasure to Israel
's policies by threatening to downgrade relations?
C) "Call on the IDF to wipe out an entire village" - An apology and explanation has already been issue for this, one that perhaps should not have been issued. And this was before the ARabs of Huwara tried to murder another Jew, David Stern.
Disgusting leftist Slifkin. Your hatred of the Haredim knows no bounds. You want to support the leftist dictatorship that controlled and controls Israel. What "democracy"? Is that? Galant is a leftist that only destroyed Jewish community in Gust Katif and elsewhere. Nothibf Jewish about him and his ilk.
You are massively downplaying the seriousness of Gallant's comments. He undermined the government's position on a matter of critical importance an the eve of an historic vote. Whether you agree with the governments position or not, this was an extreme act, especially as it was done when the PM was out of the country. In addition, Gallant legitimized and even encouraged insubordination in the army by saying that that was the reason he was calling for a delay. Would you compromise with your adversary in the face of threats from them? It would just encourage them to continue to threaten to get more concessions. The statements of the other ministers you mentioned were very inappropriate, but it was clear they spoke for themselves and did not undermine the government's position on a critical issue.
The science is becoming clear. The longer a person stays in a position of power the greater the decay in empathy, the less able to accept new information or believe he can be wrong, and the less willing to take responsibility for his actions. Bibi has been in power too long
In all seriousness, I feel like I’m missing something here. Why can’t a system of checks and balances like that of the United States be implemented in Israel? It has a successful track record spanning two and a half centuries. It is incomprehensible that the Judiciary should possess unbridled authority, allowing them to partake in self-selection and nullify laws without any prescribed criteria, but it is likewise unconscionable for them to be deprived of all influence, while the Legislature wields unchecked power with a simple majority override. Why then cannot a reform be introduced where the justices are chosen by the legislature, and where the judiciary can solely overrule laws that are considered "unconstitutional" (requiring the composition of a proper constitution), but the legislature can override the judiciary with a two-thirds majority, by passing an amendment to the constitution? To my mind, this seems like a glaringly obvious solution.
This is so off. What compromise can you make when the other side won’t even talk? This is simply an attempt at a coup and mob rule. https://www.jewishpress.com/indepth/columns/into-the-fray-martin-sherman/into-the-fray-obviating-elections/2023/03/26/
Check this out. A balanced, nuanced take on the judiciary reforms without any of the reactionary garbage.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/what-matters-now-to-philosopher-micah-goodman-preventing-civil-war/
Sigh.... The first points mentioned are par for the course for the Likud and don't directly contradict government policy. But a cabinet minister in any country must toe the line if he speaks out against government policy or not, whether or not his comment is correct. He knew he would be toast, Bibi had no choice but to dismiss him. He fell on his sword because as he stated in his tweet that for him the security of Israel is number one. He likely hopes that somehow his action, tog ether with the others (Edelstein, Amsalem ey al) will have an effect.
David, I don't know you or what you believe, but you seem not to have a grasp of what this is all about. It is a Kulturkampf over the soul of Klal Yisroel that has been waged from the day the British mandate over "Palestine" handed off management of Jewish affairs to the secular Zionist establishment after WWI. Zionism sought to transform Judaism from a Torah based lifestyle to a Western Culture lifestyle. The Zionists sought to relegate Torah Judaism into a mere commemoration of our ancient culture, much as "a living museum" just like other cultures dress up like their ancient progenitors on specific occasions and perform the song and dance from days of yore.
Torah Judaism believes living by Emuna in Hashem and the Mitzvos of the Torah is as germane today as it was when they were given on Mt. Sinai 3300 years ago. Due to numerous reasons, the Kulturkampf throughout the years sometimes flares up and sometimes goes dormant. The reason it has flared up now is because the remnant of the old Zionist views the ISC as the last hope of winning the Kulturkampf. After all, part of atheistic Western Culture is man lives only to fulfill his physical taavos and that includes not being encumbered with lots of children. Torah Judaism is the opposite. Thus when you have a Democracy, the popular vote is supposed to determine who sets the rules, in our case, the character of Israel. The old guard atheist Zionists, promoting abortion and small families are destroying their numbers. As a result, needing votes, they brought in goyim from Russia and Ethiopia to make up population in the State of people they believed would side with them in the Kulturkampf. But in the long run, BE"H they will fail. As the Kulturkampf continues, the forces of those who believe in and/or practice the Torah are getting stronger, and the opposing forces are getting desperate.
What I explained above is the correct understanding of why the Gedolei Yisroel have pushed so hard for no draft for Torah learners and women, and why the secular Zionists have pushed to draft them into their slavery. This has been the most seminal issue of the Kulturkampf.
Emasculating the ISC, is a great harbinger for the Geula!
You may ask, but Netanyahu and a lot of his friends are not Torah Jews? Isn't he doing this because it benefits him personally, politically? But they are from the 60-70% of Israelis who deep down believe in Hashem and that He gave us Eretz Yisroel. They know in their hearts that the Law and "culture" of the Jews is the Torah. Shelo Lshma Ba Lshma.
The Israel Declaration of Independence sought to omit the justification for declaring a state that Hashem gave us the Land. But in recent times, Danny Danon, UN rep of Israel got up in the UN, put on a kippa, took out a Tanach, held it up and stated, “This is our Title Deed to Eretz Yisroel!”
I oppose the judicial reform but I'm also going to disagree with you on this specific issue. Gallant came out against the stated position of the government on a core political issue, and firing him would be the standard response no matter who the PM is.
He is power hungry and needs the support of the extreme right and Haredim to survive- so who cares about the country. He also needs his court case to go away and so needs control of the court. He doesn’t care if he destroys the country in the process.
You are putting out a pshat without drash. In pshat Shaul did nothing really wrong and lost kingship. David in pshat transgressed quite a big sin and got MUCH less. There is depth behind everything. I'm not excusing or commenting on your examples but it doesn't add up to a compromise on a subject of LANDING BIBI IN JAIL, losing Deri and keeping the 9 absolutely left wing judges who are an anathema to Bibi's entire contingency. In USA 5-4 or 6-3 ratio is screamed about. In the past they never wanted any compromise and now they're paying for it. I am not exonerating anyone ( the general outlook is that the Bibi thing is ridiculous and Deri one has merit though that's not the issue) but it's not narcissistic to fight for your life as in Bibi's case.Deri is simply a fixture for many reasons and no one can change that. A compromise that keeps those 2 in and in general lessens the strength of the court but not fully is something the left would listen to? On three subjects the right winning by at least 2.33 to.66? This is why Gallant got fired, compromise has no real starting point.
He's part of the cabinet for crying out loud. Imagine a Secretary of Defense giving a press conference against a president's signature legislation he's trying to enact.
The whole cabinet leadership falls apart, everyone will feel free to undermine the leader if he doesn't take action.
It was an honorable sacrifice.
How can he publicly undermine the prime minister and anyone expect him to keep his job (his job is to communicate privately his concerns).
Of course he won't keep his job, and he knew it. Honorable it may have been, but let's not catastrophize.
Perhaps Bibi, a VERY savvy and ambitious politician, recognizes in Gallant another VERY savvy and ambitious politician, who's not merely offering advice as to what's best for the country, but looking towards his own ambitions (just as Bibi himself is)?
A) All politicians become corrupted the longer they in the government. This is about as certain as gravity.
B) "Say about a country with which Israel just made peace that you don’t like it and would never go back there" - Is the reference to UAE, the fickle "friend." which is voicing its displeasure to Israel
's policies by threatening to downgrade relations?
C) "Call on the IDF to wipe out an entire village" - An apology and explanation has already been issue for this, one that perhaps should not have been issued. And this was before the ARabs of Huwara tried to murder another Jew, David Stern.
I'm convinced Slifkin is a secret athiest.
Disgusting leftist Slifkin. Your hatred of the Haredim knows no bounds. You want to support the leftist dictatorship that controlled and controls Israel. What "democracy"? Is that? Galant is a leftist that only destroyed Jewish community in Gust Katif and elsewhere. Nothibf Jewish about him and his ilk.
Time for the leftist regime to go.
Can we have some retractions now from those who claimed that Netanyahu had no choice but to fire Gallant for his comments? https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-reinstates-gallant-blames-previous-government-for-current-wave-of-attacks/