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Eric Polly's avatar

Haredim were rioting almost daily in Ramat Bet Shemesh 20 years ago and my 10 year old daughter was returning home from school on the 14 bus on Nachal HaYarden when mobs of rioting Haredim surrounded the bus and began to rock it back and forth, trying to overturn it. She made it home in tears. From that point we had to drive her to and from school every day. For a long time she spoke about those very bad people. That trauma was a factor in her moving away from observance. Today she has a Masters Degree in Nursing, and for a time she worked in Mayanei HaYeshua hospital. Her contact with the Haredi community there did not change her attitude about Haredim for the positive. Those Haredim who traumatized her will have much to answer for if they ever make it to their Olam Habah. I imagine that the eye that sees and the ear that hears and everything is recorded in a book will prove to be quite an embarrassment, if they do indeed make it there.

Yoni2's avatar

The videos are really tragic. They unfortunately demonstrate what has become increasingly clear over the years in that charedim simply don’t represent anything like true jewish values.

It seems to me that while you do a good job of rationally explaining the shortcomings of that community, there should also be a religious response. There should be a clear movement that says effectively “given their clear disregard for jewish and halachic principles we cannot trust the charedi establishment’s religious rulings”.

This means that we should not trust their hechsherim (unless they are accompanied by a reliable hechsher, and even then it is preferable to avoid food covered by their hechsherim altogether), we can not trust their rulings in marriage, conversion, etc. should not carry in their eiruvin, should not consider their semicha to be valid etc.)

I think this is important for a few reasons:

1 - it is intellectually honest. If a community won’t even make a simple statement denouncing its own members who openly physically attack people and property in the street, how can you rely on that same communities judgement in other areas of halacha.

2 - it fights fire with fire. For years the charedi establishment has been seen (by itself and thus by others too) as the “de-facto” ultimate arbiters of halacha and what it means to be “frum”. This has effectively immunised them from a lot of criticism and means that many traditional people would fear to castigate them to a far higher degree than someone in the “dati-leumi” rabbinate. It’s surely time to flip that script and use the weapon of religious superiority that they have wielded so effectively against them.

3 - it hits them where it hurts most - in their pockets. When a restaurant fears getting an eida charedis hechsher not just because of its cost, but because they will lose customers who simply refuse to eat it, that will change the dynamic significantly.

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