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ChayaD's avatar

When I read what Yitzchak Yosef said about Rav Granot yesterday I literally cried. I'm still crying. Rav Granot is a Talmud Chacham steeped in moral values and unfortunately now steeped in loss. How a person who was once Chief Rabbi can say the things he did strips him of any right to claim any respect for any bit of Torah he may have learned. He is not a rav, he is a pathetic, sorry excuse for a man. Maybe that's who he has been all along.

I read the letters published to the Charedi public that you posted. For your average uneducated Charedi man or family, they are very sharply worded and very intimidating. I will acknowledge that unless we start publishing letters and "pashkevilim" to counter theirs, this is their version of X and this is what they are reading and absorbing. We are fighting a losing battle, against a massive public that considers anyone not Charedi a sworn enemy. Indoctrinating their children with the mindset that anyone besides them is a secular "rasha" is a goal- I know because I come from that world. When you plop baseball caps on kids heads and tell them they are soldiers in a Holy War supporting "hostages", they believe it.

I don't know where this goes.

I feel a lot of despair.

I saw a good comment by Hillel Fuld that is applicable here. When the media posts pictures of "starving children" in Gaza, Israel responds by talking about drip irrigation and cherry tomatoes. That PR doesn't work. Similarly here, the Dati Leumi and other communities need to start rising up as a force. We need to advocate better for ourselves- to make it crystal clear that we are not a welfare state supporting a people who think this is Lithuania or Lakewood. We deserve better. We have given up so many precious lives-including Amitai Granot A'H- that I think we have earned the right to begin speaking and acting a lot more forcefully.

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michael stern's avatar

Re your comment above ascribed to “Rav” Sholom Ber Sorotzkin that said

"He explained that the hostage logo and slogan “belongs” to the charedim, since charedim are the ones whose Torah was responsible for getting the hostages released."

Surely if the charedim had been learning properly there would not have been any war or massacre ? Since there was then if they have integrity they should beg for mechila ( forgiveness) from the rest of us and especially all the widows, orphans and wounded ?

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