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Charles's avatar

Ok Rabbi, you are finally succeeding in penetrating even me who has been so resisted to your message. I’m a greenhorn and have no family in the service . But I too see the announcements and the pictures and you are right. The people who are the vanguard protecting the rest of us have a right and an obligation to demand that everyone helps. So please accept my heartfelt apology.

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The problem for the Yeshiva World/Charedim is The Religious community have the Torah knowledge to see through the ruse. Personally, I am a supporter of Torah Study. I have 20+ relatives STILL learning in Kollel 20 years later. But what is happening here I can't understand. Even if you wanted to claim it’s not a milchet mitzvah in October '23 I dont see it but I heard it. Now?? When they are attacking us from all sides in all countries? And you sit it out then demand money? They lost me and I feel bad about it but I can no longer hypothetically defend their position when I could have before. The Rambam, Talmud Megillah 16, Bava Basra 7, Igros Moshe.... I have learned inside all the sources-quite honestly I could write forever on this issue. I’m sad for my people, but encouraged by those who have decided to defend us and the land. It's just sad. As for the Gedolim, I refer to the last two Blatt in MS Sotah as to the end of days...המבין יבין

For all of you posters who support the continuing of dereliction of klal responsibility, I ask one question: how weak is your Torah education that you fear it cannot withstand the challenges every-day Jews must deal with? How weak must have all the years you have spent in yeshiva been for you to not be able to retain your Judaism in the army? You either believe in Hashem and Torah/mitzvos or you don’t.

The fact is, people who are no longer religious after the army were probably not religious enough to begin with and would have found another excuse to walk away from hashem and torah. Maybe instead of teaching their talmidim it’s “us vs them” regarding their fellow Jews, they should follow the actual Torah model of Kol Yisrael aravim ze b’ze.

The most obvious reason the YW despise the hesder guys so much is bc they are living proof that one can be a Torah Jew and still protect our people and the land through his Torah study AND commitment to the mitzvah of fighting on behalf of the land and the Jewish people as Hashem commanded.

Maybe teaching a love of the Jewish people not like you AS THE TORAH COMMANDS instead of a hatred of all things not yeshivish/charedii they YW might find their education can withstand the challenges of the world around them and still be Torah true Jews. But then again why follow Torah law if you can make up your own?

One last point and with this I will end, It is so very interesting that every Rosh Hayeshiva in Hesder Yeshivot has been in combat/military and defended the land and the people of Israel. They are themselves huge Talmedei chachamim and gedolim B'yisrael. Yet which YW/charedi defender can name one or two or three? Which would even consider them not only a gadol but a talmud chacham? And yet they know all the names of the YW "Gedolim" who have not defended the land and the people with their own skin in the game. Are we sure we have the right gedolim? Even the ones who cant agree who gets a certain bais medrash to the point of violence or which brother is the true rebbe so much so they cant be seen together? Godelim b'aisrael huh? Again, ahavat chinam is paramount. If you cannot support your brothers at this time, there will never be a time. And therein, as they say, lies the rub. I don't have the standing in Heaven to make such a claim that my dereliction in duty is a Torah position. I hope you do.

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