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Shaul Shapira's avatar

1) I'm not sure if I'm one of the 'zealots' you're referring to or not, but I by stand my comments on the previous post, and don't believe you've addressed them in any way.

https://www.rationalistjudaism.com/p/halacha-science-and-birds/comment/21821831

https://www.rationalistjudaism.com/p/halacha-science-and-birds/comment/21820335

https://www.rationalistjudaism.com/p/halacha-science-and-birds/comment/21821063

https://www.rationalistjudaism.com/p/halacha-science-and-birds/comment/21780707

https://www.rationalistjudaism.com/p/halacha-science-and-birds/comment/21768248

2) You really should link to the comments which you're ridiculing, so that people can read them in context and draw their own conclusions either way.

3) It's a bit odd for you to be crowing about them 'going silent,' when one of your most persistent critics got banned from posting here.

https://irrationalistmodoxism.substack.com/p/censorship-in-the-modern-orthodox

4) To the extent you prefer critics who post under their own names, I would recommend readers to the following blogs.

http://slifkinchallenge.blogspot.com/2016/11/rabbi-dr-natan-slifkin-showcases-what.html

http://slifkin-opinions.blogspot.com/2011/01/not-so-solid-proof-about-spheres.html

==Update:==

From a 'gone-silent'-because-because-he-GOT-silenced zealot.

https://irrationalistmodoxism.substack.com/p/how-an-am-haaretz-reads-torah-sources

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Ha ha, I wonder if he knows who else was accused of being a "heresy hunter". Rav Hirsch. By Heinrich Graetz.

Guess I'm in good company, and Slifkin is in appropriate company.

(As for the actual discussion, I'm absolutely not going to spend more time explaining how badly Slifkin missed the boat on what we've been arguing about. Bottom line, his pshat in the gemara's shakla vitarya makes zero internal sense. And no, there's no Chasam Sofer or Ran who says it [Ran actually specifically says a different pshat, which - waddaya know - DOES make sense]. Readers who have more interest in understanding what's flying than Natan does can see here:

https://www.rationalistjudaism.com/p/halacha-science-and-birds/comment/21823987

https://irrationalistmodoxism.substack.com/p/how-an-am-haaretz-reads-torah-sources

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