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Michael Sedley's avatar

Interesting (to me at least) than in many of your posts you refer to people with "charedi relatives, friends, colleagues or neighbors". In the circles I move in, including the town where I live, my work, and almost all of my immediate family I know almost no Charedim. With the more distant family who are in the Charedi world, we rarely speak, and when we do the topic of army almost never comes up. Almost everyone I know or interact with on a regular basis has kids in the army, or kids who will be drafting in the next few years.

I assume that this is true for the majority of Israelis, and even more so (in reverse) for the vast majority of Charedim who almost never interact with people from the Dati-Leumi or secular communities.

I think that places like Ramat Beit Shemesh are an exception, where you have Dati Leumi and Charedim (mainly Anglos) living alongside each other, shopping in the same stores, and often attending the same shuls.

This may be a big part of the problem, that the Charedi society is almost totally removed from the general population (as is a large part of the Arab community) and the issues that are important to other parts of the community do not even come up in their communities. This is true not only for army, but for politics, education, economics, and other aspects of life. I often feel that we are living in parallel but separate worlds.

When I moved to Israel 30 years ago this was less of an issue, there were many neighborhoods that were mixed (Har Nof, Bayit Vegan, and even Geula had large non-Charedi populations), but over the decades the communities are drifting further and further apart. Ramat Beit Shemesh may still be one of the few exceptions, although over the past 20 years it also is becoming more segregated (when the neighbourhood was built, developers tried to sell us a home there claiming that it would be â…“ Black Kipa, â…“ Knitted Kipa, and â…“ no Kipa - didn't quite work out that way)

I'm not sure what the solution is, but unless we find more avenues for different segments of society to interact on a daily basis, most of society will remain oblivious to the way that they are perceived by other segments of society.

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A. Nuran's avatar

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle." --Edmund Burke

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