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Michael Sedley's avatar

Interesting post.

I just came from a book launch for a biography of a well known Rosh Yeshiva from the Dati Leumi world (who I won't name here). Several of his students spoke who are themselves today Roshei Yeshiva or well known Rabbis and educators.

One of the questions was about the many talks the Rosh Yeshiva used to give about Chilul HaShem, and what he would see as the most tragic Chilulim Hashem today. The Rav that answered the question said that in his mind, the biggest Chilul HaShem today is the hundreds of thousands of people who use Torah as an excuse to avoid serving in the army, and as a result are not only disregarding their obligations as Jews, but are causing Israeli society to hate Torah as they see it as an excuse to avoid responsibilities and not as a tool to bring Kedusha into the world.

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Moosehunter 🫎 🎯's avatar

This post is stupid.

Israel really, really does NOT need charedim to draft, any more than it needs all the American Jews to immigrate and draft. It definitely doesn't need the 18-21 year old chareidim, the ones who need to be in yeshiva.

The army can totally adequately defend the nation without the chareidim, but it cannot engage in perpetual war with all its neighbors even with chareidim, which is the scenario that the "army needs chareidim" argument is based on. And to the extent that the army "needs" chareidim, there are thousands of post yeshiva chareidim who are willing to serve if the army accepts them, which the army idiotically refused.

The fact that the anti-Torah seculars WANT yeshiva-age chareidim in the army is not a reason for chareidim to acquiesce and destroy their yeshivos, which are the ones providing the merit for the success of the army in the first place.

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