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Eli B's avatar

The penultimate issue of Headlines podcast featured 4 charedi rabonim/speakers. I wouldn't recommend the 1st, but the latter 2, r lopiansky and r glatstein, were both great.

They both stressed that one can and should have a double edged approach:

1. We are super grateful to the IDF for putting their lives in literal danger. It's a very necessary השתדלות that we have to do.

2. We recognise that אין עוד מלבדו and ultimately the נצחון of this war is in His hands only.

I think that's the approach everyone should have. The only question is how much emphasis do you put on one over the other.

(Nathan, You are right) traditionally many charedim only had the second approach.

Conversely, many chilonim only have the first approach.

A true synthesis of the 2 approaches is what we are witnessing now. We have lots of videos of secular soldiers singing מי שמאמין, עם ישראל חי etc and putting on ציצית and תפילין, which is amazing and heartwarming. We also have lots of charedim acknowledging the sacrifice of the soldiers. Charedi shuls are saying the מי שברך לחיילים in shuls. It's amazing.

I did once see a photo of an Israeli war room. Bunch of officers standing around a map planning a tactic. with a poster behind the officers stating ה' ילחם לכם ואתם תחרישון. That was perfect!

Nb

As a critical person, I need to end with one criticism(!), which is that the leadership of Israel's govt and army still don't seem to ever publicly thank Hashem or acknowledge him. On twitter it's always about them. They seem to only hold of the first approach. Is it all still כוחי ועוצם ידי?

(The Arabs often say alahu Akbar. We need to counteract that).

It would be amazing if someone with clout could encourage Israel's leadership to start publicly mentioning the impact of God on this war.

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"The second reason that he gives is particularly interesting. He says that Covid caused many charedim to get connected to the Internet. As a result of this, instead of just getting their news from sanitized newspapers like Yated and HaModia, they are seeing the terrible photos and videos and stories and news in real time. This, too, makes them feel more connected and makes them understand that they are involved in this."

You claimed https://rationalistjudaism.blogspot.com/2011/12/gevalt-jerusalem-post.html back in 2011:

"The haredi public is not what it is believed to be by both Agudah spokesmen such as Rabbi Sherer and by the non-haredi public—as is clear from the very positive response to my article from within the Haredi world. They are not all mindless masses who will read only what they are told to read and who will faithfully follow whatever they are told to do when no explanation is given.

In the 21st century, even many haredim have the internet. The Agudah itself posts its convention speeches on YouTube—albeit with the option for submitting comments hastily disabled after a link to my blog was posted! If haredim are bothered by a leadership decision, they will not just accept it on trust, as Rabbi Sherer demanded – they will discuss it, and compare it with views of others that are better explained. If they feel that haredi media sources are not presenting accurate or relevant information, they will turn to other media sources. If they feel that their voices are not being heard, they will write blogs."

I must have missed the great Covid-09 pandemic. Alternatively, you're wish-casting, as you've been doing for a decade and a half. (Hilariously, that was a VIN article you were all excited about back then too.)

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