I don't know why you accept that narrative of the blood libels.
A highly respected academic, the kind that can look down his long nose at those 'evolution-deniers', has written a paper, nothing less, an actual paper, that claims that there was a custom of using Christian blood in the Matzos.
And this highly respected academic is the son, iirc, of the Chief Rabbi of Rome. Nothing less.
I didn't know he was highly respected. Was he often cited in academic circles before his sensationalistic book? I don't think so.
"has written a paper"
No. It was a book."
"nothing less"
Well, it was more- it was a book.
"an actual paper"
For the third time, it was a book.
"that claims that there was a custom of using Christian blood in the Matzos."
That's not what the book claims. It affirms that the blood libel accusations were indeed fabricated, but that it was not fabricated from nothing, but from weird magical practices that involved blood, but not murder.
Rabbi Slifkin, you want to prove the whole world wrong?
It's very easy. You just need to show them Israel actually has a long-term plan to bring peace in the region, not just constant mistreatments for palestinians under its occupation and short-term reactions to terrorist attacks. It used to have, but the people in power now are those who destroyed it.
And they are currently actively trying to get us all killed:
Unfortunately, Israel doesn't have a long-term plan. Nor, as far as I can tell, does anyone else. At least, not a plan that is viable and doesn't end with the destruction of Israel.
Elements of the govt most certainly have a long term plan. It's just a terribly immoral one that won't succeed and will bring us to the level of Hamas. They are Kahanists and unfortunately they represent Religious Zionism now. They are using the current war to push their aims.
Countries can't plan their entire future ahead of time. The US had no plan for how the slavery issue would evolve. Canada had no plan for how the French and the English would co-exist. Israel is no different. Had it worried too much about the indigenous Arabs the state would never have been created. It's not a flaw to not know the future, and should not be described as such.
So how do you want the world no to see this as pointless and disproportionate violence?
I do not know that it's really the case, and I dearly wish it isn't, but it definitely looks like it from the outside.
The army nor the government didn't declare any official objectives, besides "destroying Hamas", which doesn't mean anything, and some even more poorly thought statements. You can't destroy ideas by killing people, and the top heads are not even in Gaza.
Yes evil people with evil ideas are always around the corner. Hamas are terrorists who want too eliminate Israel. We will whatever is necessary to destroy them including killing them. They are murderers whoses aim is to kill us. Don't you get that.what are you proposing that we commit suicide!
You are right to be concerned the current war may end up being counterproductive to protecting Israel. However, you must also be concerned that not going after Hamas street by street may also be the wrong answer and land us back in a similar spot. There's no obvious answer, but many of the facts that would be relevant to making a rational decision are simply not known to us. We are going to have wait and see.
You are right that the current govt's goal is not a peaceful solution where Palestinians outside the green line get political rights. Yet, there may be no such solution at this time. That doesn't give them the right to make things worse or look the other way at anti-Palestinian violence which is what they have been doing, but even if Israel had a center-left govt, they would have no clear path to a good solution.
I agree with what you're saying. I do not claim to have any more answers, but seeing people act as if we should just all be backing whatever Israel is doing at any given time, without ever questioning it, and just assume "the whole world is wrong" because they "always are", is for sure not reassuring. That attitude is the perfect mirror of those who believe palestinians are always right.
Nazism didn't disappear because it lost the war. The whole country was endoctrinated, and most war criminals actually got away with it because both germanies needed them, and the courts put in place a very lenient procedure.
Since 1949, over 900 proceedings trying defendants of National Socialist era crimes have been conducted by the Federal Republic of Germany (meaning, West Germany before the fall of the Berlin Wall in 1990 and united Germany afterwards). These proceedings have been criticized because most defendants were acquitted or received light sentences. In addition, thousands of Nazi officials and perpetrators never faced trial, and many returned to the professions they had practiced under the Third Reich. For example, former Nazi officials comprised the majority of judges in West Germany for several decades after the war (Holocaust Encyclopedia).
Nazism as a mass ideology disappeared because the germans saw they had been fed lies. The whole world had not, in fact, unified behind the jews to eradicate them, they actually helped them survive the hard winter of 1946-47, when all their crop had been destroyed, including the russians who were experiencing a terrible famine.
So the real question is what will the people of Gaza realize after this war? Right now, it probably looks in their eyes like Israel is indeed trying to destroy all they have and doesn't care at all about killing them. That would actually make Hamas stronger.
"One textbook promotes a conspiracy theory that Israel removed the original stones of ancient sites in Jerusalem and replaced them with ones bearing “Zionist drawings and shapes.”
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"So the real question is what will the people of Gaza realize after this war?"
Hopefully they'll realize that the Israelis don't kill people for fun and hand out candy when Palestinian children die. And that Hamas has been using them as human shields while bringing untold destruction on them. https://substack.com/@shaulshapira/note/c-43495214
Who says he wants to prove the whole world wrong? Maybe the whole world doesn’t care that they are wrong, just like with believing in the obvious absurdity of blood libels.
If it was very easy, then the Arabs would have excepted anyone of the five partition plans over the past 100 years. So obviously it’s not easy.
Do you feel that the miss treatment of Palestinians is happening in a vacuum? Are Jews cruel people?
How about the mistreatment of Italian communities in the US in the heyday of the mafia?
How about stop and frisk in New York City to mostly young black men of gangbanger age?
It’s not possible that you don’t know about Arab terrorism against Jews going back 100 years. And if you really don’t, you should know.
And lastly, why is it Israel’s obligation to bring peace to the region? There is no peace in that entire region. Millions of Muslims have died at the hands of Muslims all over the place. Israel needs to bring peace to Israel.
Nothing ever happens in a vacuum. That is not an excuse. Do you believe the terrorist attacks of last month happened in a vacuum? They didn't. Were they any less horrible for that? No.
By the region, I mean peace within Israel and with its neighbors.
They accepted what in 1993? A Palestinian State? So where is it? Why don’t all the Palestinians move there?
Why go till 1993? Israel gave them a state in 2005. How did they reciprocate?
Of course the events a month ago happened in a vacuum. If not, please enlighten me on the cause-and-effect that led to jihadists, murdering, raping, decapitating and mutilating a bunch of peacenicks, men women and children, young and old?
Of course things not happening in a vacuum are less horrible.
It’s logical and reasonable that the FBI to targeted Italians in the 80s and 90s. It’s logical and reasonable that the FBI targeted Muslims post 9/11.
It’s logical and reasonable for the NYPD to stop and frisk young black men.
It’s logical and reasonable for the IDF to mistreat Palestinians with a backdrop of 100 years of murder and mayhem against Jews.
As far as peace with its neighbors, hasn't Israel gone above and beyond to achieve various levels of peace with its neighbors?
Giving back the Sinai desert with all of its oil. Supplying Jordan with water. And that is after beating both of those countries militarily more than once. The Abraham accords.
I’m not sure why you’re applying malevolence and cruelty to the Jewish state. Jews aren’t a cruel people.
In 2005 there was no accord. The disengagement was unilateral. And Israel kept control of the borders, territorial waters and imports.
It's been close to twenty years that gazans lived in an open air prison, in a small forlorn strip where an entire generation grew with no hope and no future. I am surprised this didn't happen earlier.
There is no need to be a cruel people to act cruelly. You just need to be angry or afraid enough.
When I speak of mistreatments I am not talking about the current war.
Do you see how you’re responding? I wonder why you have this really hard bias against the Jews.
You’re laying equal blame for there not being a Palestinian state in after the Oslo accords. While the state of Israel has managed to successfully negotiate at least three different peace agreements, the Palestinians haven’t even been able to accept even one. But you’re blaming both sides equally.
And just repeating the lie that Israel kept control of the Gazan borders and territorial waters, doesn’t make it true. Just because Max Blumenthal says it doesn’t make it true. Just because Jeremy Corbyn says it doesn’t make it true.
The same goes for calling Gaza an open air prison. Using that as a pejorative against Israel. This is their choice. They chose to live in an open air prison. There duly elected leaders, choose what to do with the billions of dollars in aid pouring into Gaza. We all know what they do with that aid.
You know very well that Israel only locked down the border when rockets started flying more than a year after the disengagement.
Just because Abby Martin calls Israel genocidal doesn’t make it so.
A People does need to be cruel in order to act cruelly. Israel isn’t acting cruelly. Nor is it angry or anfraid enough to behave cruelly. The United States doesn’t act cruelly. To state otherwise is making a moral equivalence between how the Muslim/Arab population behaves, and how Jews and the western world behave. The same as making a moral equivalence between how the third Reich vs the allies behaved.
Why, if it isn't old mister I-only-see-the-world-in-black-and-white making a coming back. Well, given your propensity to answer all of my comments here, most of which not even being addressed to you, it's rather hard for me to believe your constant declarations about ignoring me.
Lol. He thinks he can win the argument by immediately running to "racist"!
Listen Jew Well, you misogynist homophobe, we're not guilt laden whites here. We don't knuckle under bc someone mouths the US civil rights commission. If that's all you've got, then go elsewhere. You were better when you were still going by "The Hat" sockpuppet.
18 Sep, 2014: TOI: Israeli Islamic State member: 'We love to drink blood'
The other day, Ahed Tamimi: 'What Hitler did to you was a joke, we will drink your blood'
PMW, 2006: " We know that there is no better blood than the blood of Jews. We won't leave you alone until we have quenched our thirst with your blood,"
MEMRI, April 2023: Gaza Islamic Scholar: We Are Thirsty for Jews' Blood
And of course, when Jordan's prime minister Wasfi Tal was killed by Palestinians, one of the assassins drank his blood.
MANY people support Israel. It's very Jewish to always look for the worst, but in reality, there are still tens of millions and millions of good people who aren't fooled, who support Israel and Jews or are simply indifferent (which is also fine), and who know exactly what Hamas is. Any working person I know has received numerous calls and texts from gentile colleagues with messages of support.
The Bible prophesizes about Jews being scared of what in reality is just their imagination, a rustling leaf. We have to stop worrying about "blamed" by "the world". That's a golus mentality fiction, and has to be eradicated.
A couple of weeks ago after the UN voted to call on Israel for a Ceasefire and leave Hamas in power, I ordered the results based on where countries rate on the Freedom Index.
Not surprisingly there is a direct relationship between how free a country is and how likely it is to have voted against the resolution:
Not everything can be chalked up to business. In the mid-1930's it was a very fashionable idea in the West to say that Hitler was the tool of big business, that was all.
Except of course it wasn't. In fact, it was anything *but* the case. Sometimes people just have a propensity against Jews. Sometimes they hate Jews, or sometimes they're just "progressive" and "progressive" dogma for the last fifty years or more has been that Jews are bad.
Or, of course, it may just people too silly to see past the sloganeering as to what the resolution really is about.
Canada and Australia ranked very high on that list, and yet both countries were completely locked down during Covid, and stayed that way even after other over-reacting countries woke up. If that's their definition of "free", then the list is worthless.
Part of the reason many countries condemn Israel, or don't support Israel so strongly, is fear of riots by Muslim immigrants in those countries. (Another part of the reason is woke ideology, which says that the miserable party is always in the right, no matter what it does.) Hence, that fact that there are many more Muslims than Jews in the world does play a role.
Here's an America-centric perspective, but it might provide some solace about the entirely world seeming to stand on the wrong side, for now.
The upcoming issue of The Atlantic is focusing on the issue of Reconstruction following the American Civil War. One of the articles focuses on what The Atlantic (https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2023/12/journalism-reconstruction-coverage-web-du-bois/675806/) got wrong about Reconstruction in the early 20th Century. Without expounding too much on that article, one line described a "consensus" that prevailed when The Atlantic ran a review of Reconstruction in 1901 "that only well-educated, propertied white men were capable of governing themselves, and that it was folly to give anyone else the chance to try."
What anyone following what is happening in America would realize is that anyone who would seriously promote today what was consensus in 1901 would get cancelled. That is what we need to work towards regarding the justifications for Hamas and other proponents of Palestinian rejectionism.
" This procedure was discussed in La Civilta Cattolica, the semi-official journal of the Vatican, in 1881"
This is an over-simplification. Notwithstanding, its virulent Jew hatred, the Vatican repeatedly condemned such accusations as a fiction- from the medieval period through the 18th century. It appears that the Vatican reversed its "enlightened" course in the late 19th century.
When Jews became a 'Jewish Problem', many 'solutions' were suggested. From assimilation to America, communism to Zionism, and many others. If we only changed this or that, we would solve our 'problem'. This problem was simply our Exile, the divinely proscribed punishment for our sins and purgatory for our failings. We wished to replace the final redemption with something else, and each group found its own niche.
Slowly, we learned that none of them are too practical. The Holocaust taught us how assimilation is useless. The USSR taught us that communism wouldn't help. But the Zionists were triumphant! We made the desert bloom! We made a state in which all talk Hebrew! Look what we did! Now that it is clearly visible that neither right wing Zionism nor left wing Zionism has a solution for the 'problem', we are back to square one. Desert blooming is nice, but it is not the solution to the problem.
The idealism for Zionism outlived its communist counterpart, but ultimately is dying down.
For those who have open eyes, the facts are apparent. Some shut their eyes and still believe in Zionism. They cannot accept the idea that 150 years were wasted on a misguided dream.
The truth is that the non Western World the world supports the Palestinians because they always side with the less-White side, and the Western World, with a few retrograde exceptions, also supports the Palestinians because they also side with the less-White side. There is a difference though between non-Western ethno-narcissism and western ethno-masochism, namely that most White ethno-masochists draw the line at the kind of thing that happened on Shemini Atzeret, hence Israel has a short window to take a more aggressive approach.
The truth, though, is that most Jews also take the less-White side in every conflict except the one that they are involved in, and have no moral right to complain when others do the same. If you get all teary eyed because some career criminal thug ODs on fentanyl while in police custody, then obviously you should also support the Palestinians.
The whole world was wrong about the osirak nuclear reactor in 1981 and condemned Israel for bombing it. Of course Israel was proved right on that one some years later.
The whole world is often wrong especially when it comes to Israel. The UN is wrong pretty much 100% of the time.
I will be at the rally tomorrow. It's one small way I can indicate that we have your back.
I don't know why you accept that narrative of the blood libels.
A highly respected academic, the kind that can look down his long nose at those 'evolution-deniers', has written a paper, nothing less, an actual paper, that claims that there was a custom of using Christian blood in the Matzos.
And this highly respected academic is the son, iirc, of the Chief Rabbi of Rome. Nothing less.
"A highly respected academic"
I didn't know he was highly respected. Was he often cited in academic circles before his sensationalistic book? I don't think so.
"has written a paper"
No. It was a book."
"nothing less"
Well, it was more- it was a book.
"an actual paper"
For the third time, it was a book.
"that claims that there was a custom of using Christian blood in the Matzos."
That's not what the book claims. It affirms that the blood libel accusations were indeed fabricated, but that it was not fabricated from nothing, but from weird magical practices that involved blood, but not murder.
What in heaven’s name are you talking about?
Look Up Ariel Toaff, a professor at Bar-Ilan University who wrote a book claiming that there is some truth to Blood Libel.
He later modified his claim, that there is no evidence that Sfardim ever practiced Bllod Libel, only Ashkenazim (You can't make this stuff up)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ariel_Toaff
Looks like Slifkin is afraid of criticism. Not a good look.
What on earth are you talking about? This guy has written some pretty insulting language about Rabbi Slifkin. He or she deserves to be banned.
What insulting language? I think he made a good point about blind belief in academics.
R’ Slifkin, why did you ban this clown for this comment in particular?
It reminded me that I'd forgotten to ban him earlier.
I think his bizarre point is that academics are worthless because some of them are nuts.
No, more than that: That academic biology is worthless because some academic historians are nuts.
It's called intersectionality.
😂
This is a test. Skinthin Slifkin is an ugly hag and he eats his boogies.
And most important: he has bad breath!
Rabbi Slifkin, you want to prove the whole world wrong?
It's very easy. You just need to show them Israel actually has a long-term plan to bring peace in the region, not just constant mistreatments for palestinians under its occupation and short-term reactions to terrorist attacks. It used to have, but the people in power now are those who destroyed it.
And they are currently actively trying to get us all killed:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/far-right-minister-nuking-gaza-is-an-option-population-should-go-to-ireland-or-deserts/
Unfortunately, Israel doesn't have a long-term plan. Nor, as far as I can tell, does anyone else. At least, not a plan that is viable and doesn't end with the destruction of Israel.
Elements of the govt most certainly have a long term plan. It's just a terribly immoral one that won't succeed and will bring us to the level of Hamas. They are Kahanists and unfortunately they represent Religious Zionism now. They are using the current war to push their aims.
Countries can't plan their entire future ahead of time. The US had no plan for how the slavery issue would evolve. Canada had no plan for how the French and the English would co-exist. Israel is no different. Had it worried too much about the indigenous Arabs the state would never have been created. It's not a flaw to not know the future, and should not be described as such.
So how do you want the world no to see this as pointless and disproportionate violence?
I do not know that it's really the case, and I dearly wish it isn't, but it definitely looks like it from the outside.
The army nor the government didn't declare any official objectives, besides "destroying Hamas", which doesn't mean anything, and some even more poorly thought statements. You can't destroy ideas by killing people, and the top heads are not even in Gaza.
Yes evil people with evil ideas are always around the corner. Hamas are terrorists who want too eliminate Israel. We will whatever is necessary to destroy them including killing them. They are murderers whoses aim is to kill us. Don't you get that.what are you proposing that we commit suicide!
You are right to be concerned the current war may end up being counterproductive to protecting Israel. However, you must also be concerned that not going after Hamas street by street may also be the wrong answer and land us back in a similar spot. There's no obvious answer, but many of the facts that would be relevant to making a rational decision are simply not known to us. We are going to have wait and see.
You are right that the current govt's goal is not a peaceful solution where Palestinians outside the green line get political rights. Yet, there may be no such solution at this time. That doesn't give them the right to make things worse or look the other way at anti-Palestinian violence which is what they have been doing, but even if Israel had a center-left govt, they would have no clear path to a good solution.
I agree with what you're saying. I do not claim to have any more answers, but seeing people act as if we should just all be backing whatever Israel is doing at any given time, without ever questioning it, and just assume "the whole world is wrong" because they "always are", is for sure not reassuring. That attitude is the perfect mirror of those who believe palestinians are always right.
"The army nor the government didn't declare any official objectives, besides "destroying Hamas", which doesn't mean anything,"
It means destroying the command structure, tunnel infrastructure, weapons factories etc.
"You can't destroy ideas by killing people,"
Right. They just need to kill the people who put those ideas into action. https://www.france24.com/en/middle-east/20231029-israel-mobilises-nili-unit-hunt-eliminate-behind-hamas-october-7-attack 'Nazism' didn't get destroyed in 1945 either. Didn't make D-Day a waste of time. A bunch of skinheads marching in Skokie is very much not the same thing as gas chambers, even if the perpetrators of both share a common ideology.
"and the top heads are not even in Gaza."
The military leadership is there. The ones who planned and carried out wholesale slaughter are there. https://www.jpost.com/arab-israeli-conflict/gaza-news/article-773075 But you're right about this much: The Mossad will need to work extremely hard to replicate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Mahmoud_Al-Mabhouh this sort of thing.
Nazism didn't disappear because it lost the war. The whole country was endoctrinated, and most war criminals actually got away with it because both germanies needed them, and the courts put in place a very lenient procedure.
Since 1949, over 900 proceedings trying defendants of National Socialist era crimes have been conducted by the Federal Republic of Germany (meaning, West Germany before the fall of the Berlin Wall in 1990 and united Germany afterwards). These proceedings have been criticized because most defendants were acquitted or received light sentences. In addition, thousands of Nazi officials and perpetrators never faced trial, and many returned to the professions they had practiced under the Third Reich. For example, former Nazi officials comprised the majority of judges in West Germany for several decades after the war (Holocaust Encyclopedia).
Nazism as a mass ideology disappeared because the germans saw they had been fed lies. The whole world had not, in fact, unified behind the jews to eradicate them, they actually helped them survive the hard winter of 1946-47, when all their crop had been destroyed, including the russians who were experiencing a terrible famine.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_in_occupied_Germany
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_famine_of_1946%E2%80%931947
So the real question is what will the people of Gaza realize after this war? Right now, it probably looks in their eyes like Israel is indeed trying to destroy all they have and doesn't care at all about killing them. That would actually make Hamas stronger.
"Nazism as a mass ideology disappeared because the germans saw they had been fed lies. "
What exactly do you think is being taught in Hamas run schools??? Wholesome truth seeking philosemitism???
https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/eu-study-finds-incitement-in-palestinian-textbooks-remains-unpublished-670505
"One textbook promotes a conspiracy theory that Israel removed the original stones of ancient sites in Jerusalem and replaced them with ones bearing “Zionist drawings and shapes.”
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"So the real question is what will the people of Gaza realize after this war?"
Hopefully they'll realize that the Israelis don't kill people for fun and hand out candy when Palestinian children die. And that Hamas has been using them as human shields while bringing untold destruction on them. https://substack.com/@shaulshapira/note/c-43495214
We can’t kill the idea of Hamas. But we can remove their capability to harm us. That’s the plan and a pretty good one I dare say.
Just because they have no long term plan doesn't mean they can't defend themselves
Military actions need to have clear objectives, and the aftermath must be thought over. Otherwise, it really is pointless violence and destruction.
They have a clear plan: destroy Hamas. Just not a long term, "what happens after that" one
אין לנו על מי להישען אלא על אבינו שבשמים
Who says he wants to prove the whole world wrong? Maybe the whole world doesn’t care that they are wrong, just like with believing in the obvious absurdity of blood libels.
If it was very easy, then the Arabs would have excepted anyone of the five partition plans over the past 100 years. So obviously it’s not easy.
Do you feel that the miss treatment of Palestinians is happening in a vacuum? Are Jews cruel people?
How about the mistreatment of Italian communities in the US in the heyday of the mafia?
How about stop and frisk in New York City to mostly young black men of gangbanger age?
It’s not possible that you don’t know about Arab terrorism against Jews going back 100 years. And if you really don’t, you should know.
And lastly, why is it Israel’s obligation to bring peace to the region? There is no peace in that entire region. Millions of Muslims have died at the hands of Muslims all over the place. Israel needs to bring peace to Israel.
Well, they did accept it in 1993.
Nothing ever happens in a vacuum. That is not an excuse. Do you believe the terrorist attacks of last month happened in a vacuum? They didn't. Were they any less horrible for that? No.
By the region, I mean peace within Israel and with its neighbors.
They accepted what in 1993? A Palestinian State? So where is it? Why don’t all the Palestinians move there?
Why go till 1993? Israel gave them a state in 2005. How did they reciprocate?
Of course the events a month ago happened in a vacuum. If not, please enlighten me on the cause-and-effect that led to jihadists, murdering, raping, decapitating and mutilating a bunch of peacenicks, men women and children, young and old?
Of course things not happening in a vacuum are less horrible.
It’s logical and reasonable that the FBI to targeted Italians in the 80s and 90s. It’s logical and reasonable that the FBI targeted Muslims post 9/11.
It’s logical and reasonable for the NYPD to stop and frisk young black men.
It’s logical and reasonable for the IDF to mistreat Palestinians with a backdrop of 100 years of murder and mayhem against Jews.
As far as peace with its neighbors, hasn't Israel gone above and beyond to achieve various levels of peace with its neighbors?
Giving back the Sinai desert with all of its oil. Supplying Jordan with water. And that is after beating both of those countries militarily more than once. The Abraham accords.
I’m not sure why you’re applying malevolence and cruelty to the Jewish state. Jews aren’t a cruel people.
It didn't happen because the israeli and palestinian right did everything they could to break the process.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/12/oslo-israel-reneged-colonial-palestine
In 2005 there was no accord. The disengagement was unilateral. And Israel kept control of the borders, territorial waters and imports.
It's been close to twenty years that gazans lived in an open air prison, in a small forlorn strip where an entire generation grew with no hope and no future. I am surprised this didn't happen earlier.
There is no need to be a cruel people to act cruelly. You just need to be angry or afraid enough.
When I speak of mistreatments I am not talking about the current war.
https://youtu.be/zBPWyuRWt38
Do you see how you’re responding? I wonder why you have this really hard bias against the Jews.
You’re laying equal blame for there not being a Palestinian state in after the Oslo accords. While the state of Israel has managed to successfully negotiate at least three different peace agreements, the Palestinians haven’t even been able to accept even one. But you’re blaming both sides equally.
And just repeating the lie that Israel kept control of the Gazan borders and territorial waters, doesn’t make it true. Just because Max Blumenthal says it doesn’t make it true. Just because Jeremy Corbyn says it doesn’t make it true.
The same goes for calling Gaza an open air prison. Using that as a pejorative against Israel. This is their choice. They chose to live in an open air prison. There duly elected leaders, choose what to do with the billions of dollars in aid pouring into Gaza. We all know what they do with that aid.
You know very well that Israel only locked down the border when rockets started flying more than a year after the disengagement.
Just because Abby Martin calls Israel genocidal doesn’t make it so.
A People does need to be cruel in order to act cruelly. Israel isn’t acting cruelly. Nor is it angry or anfraid enough to behave cruelly. The United States doesn’t act cruelly. To state otherwise is making a moral equivalence between how the Muslim/Arab population behaves, and how Jews and the western world behave. The same as making a moral equivalence between how the third Reich vs the allies behaved.
You’re right. We’re to blame for what happened on October 7. See you at the next pro Hamas rally
I'll let you go there alone, then. I for one don't support terrorism.
Great suggestion, why not ask the peace-niks in the South Kibbutzim what they think of it.
Great suggestion, I certainly would.
You could, had your peaceful partners there in Gaza not murdered them all.
Ah, someone on the side of our enemies. Thanks for letting us see your true colors and we can now ignore you accordingly.
Why, if it isn't old mister I-only-see-the-world-in-black-and-white making a coming back. Well, given your propensity to answer all of my comments here, most of which not even being addressed to you, it's rather hard for me to believe your constant declarations about ignoring me.
People like Jew Well still live in October 6
The world *is* black and white, anti-Semite.
It's an honor for me to be called antisemite by proud racists.
Lol. He thinks he can win the argument by immediately running to "racist"!
Listen Jew Well, you misogynist homophobe, we're not guilt laden whites here. We don't knuckle under bc someone mouths the US civil rights commission. If that's all you've got, then go elsewhere. You were better when you were still going by "The Hat" sockpuppet.
No. You lot think you can win the argument by running to "anti-Semite" on jews.
There's no need to defend Nachum, he has already expressed his proudness of being racist.
I'm sure you know a whole lot about homophobia and misogyny.
I am not "The Hat". Ask your friend Nachum.
Lost you at "mistreatments," "palestinians," "occupation."
You must surely be too smart for me.
On blood rituals:
15 Feb, 2006, Ha'aretz: Hamas: 'We Drink Jews' Blood'
18 Sep, 2014: TOI: Israeli Islamic State member: 'We love to drink blood'
The other day, Ahed Tamimi: 'What Hitler did to you was a joke, we will drink your blood'
PMW, 2006: " We know that there is no better blood than the blood of Jews. We won't leave you alone until we have quenched our thirst with your blood,"
MEMRI, April 2023: Gaza Islamic Scholar: We Are Thirsty for Jews' Blood
And of course, when Jordan's prime minister Wasfi Tal was killed by Palestinians, one of the assassins drank his blood.
MANY people support Israel. It's very Jewish to always look for the worst, but in reality, there are still tens of millions and millions of good people who aren't fooled, who support Israel and Jews or are simply indifferent (which is also fine), and who know exactly what Hamas is. Any working person I know has received numerous calls and texts from gentile colleagues with messages of support.
The Bible prophesizes about Jews being scared of what in reality is just their imagination, a rustling leaf. We have to stop worrying about "blamed" by "the world". That's a golus mentality fiction, and has to be eradicated.
I like the way your comment puts it into perspective. I tried to do that as well: https://open.substack.com/pub/ishayirashashem/p/im-jewish-so-maybe-you-hate-me-2?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=1hp7xr
A couple of weeks ago after the UN voted to call on Israel for a Ceasefire and leave Hamas in power, I ordered the results based on where countries rate on the Freedom Index.
Not surprisingly there is a direct relationship between how free a country is and how likely it is to have voted against the resolution:
https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=10160925775708389&set=a.10151301492963389
What's wrong with New Zealand?
NZ is an outlier among the anglosphere in its propensity to cozy up to dictatorships.
My best guess is that the Saudis and Iranians buy more wool and butter from New Zealand than Israel does. Business is business
Not everything can be chalked up to business. In the mid-1930's it was a very fashionable idea in the West to say that Hitler was the tool of big business, that was all.
Except of course it wasn't. In fact, it was anything *but* the case. Sometimes people just have a propensity against Jews. Sometimes they hate Jews, or sometimes they're just "progressive" and "progressive" dogma for the last fifty years or more has been that Jews are bad.
Or, of course, it may just people too silly to see past the sloganeering as to what the resolution really is about.
Canada and Australia ranked very high on that list, and yet both countries were completely locked down during Covid, and stayed that way even after other over-reacting countries woke up. If that's their definition of "free", then the list is worthless.
I recall that Trump had a much pithier (and more vulgar) way or putting it.
Part of the reason many countries condemn Israel, or don't support Israel so strongly, is fear of riots by Muslim immigrants in those countries. (Another part of the reason is woke ideology, which says that the miserable party is always in the right, no matter what it does.) Hence, that fact that there are many more Muslims than Jews in the world does play a role.
I've never put much stock into what the whole world believes.
Here's an America-centric perspective, but it might provide some solace about the entirely world seeming to stand on the wrong side, for now.
The upcoming issue of The Atlantic is focusing on the issue of Reconstruction following the American Civil War. One of the articles focuses on what The Atlantic (https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2023/12/journalism-reconstruction-coverage-web-du-bois/675806/) got wrong about Reconstruction in the early 20th Century. Without expounding too much on that article, one line described a "consensus" that prevailed when The Atlantic ran a review of Reconstruction in 1901 "that only well-educated, propertied white men were capable of governing themselves, and that it was folly to give anyone else the chance to try."
What anyone following what is happening in America would realize is that anyone who would seriously promote today what was consensus in 1901 would get cancelled. That is what we need to work towards regarding the justifications for Hamas and other proponents of Palestinian rejectionism.
" This procedure was discussed in La Civilta Cattolica, the semi-official journal of the Vatican, in 1881"
This is an over-simplification. Notwithstanding, its virulent Jew hatred, the Vatican repeatedly condemned such accusations as a fiction- from the medieval period through the 18th century. It appears that the Vatican reversed its "enlightened" course in the late 19th century.
There is a real uncomfortable truth over here.
When Jews became a 'Jewish Problem', many 'solutions' were suggested. From assimilation to America, communism to Zionism, and many others. If we only changed this or that, we would solve our 'problem'. This problem was simply our Exile, the divinely proscribed punishment for our sins and purgatory for our failings. We wished to replace the final redemption with something else, and each group found its own niche.
Slowly, we learned that none of them are too practical. The Holocaust taught us how assimilation is useless. The USSR taught us that communism wouldn't help. But the Zionists were triumphant! We made the desert bloom! We made a state in which all talk Hebrew! Look what we did! Now that it is clearly visible that neither right wing Zionism nor left wing Zionism has a solution for the 'problem', we are back to square one. Desert blooming is nice, but it is not the solution to the problem.
The idealism for Zionism outlived its communist counterpart, but ultimately is dying down.
For those who have open eyes, the facts are apparent. Some shut their eyes and still believe in Zionism. They cannot accept the idea that 150 years were wasted on a misguided dream.
The truth is that the non Western World the world supports the Palestinians because they always side with the less-White side, and the Western World, with a few retrograde exceptions, also supports the Palestinians because they also side with the less-White side. There is a difference though between non-Western ethno-narcissism and western ethno-masochism, namely that most White ethno-masochists draw the line at the kind of thing that happened on Shemini Atzeret, hence Israel has a short window to take a more aggressive approach.
The truth, though, is that most Jews also take the less-White side in every conflict except the one that they are involved in, and have no moral right to complain when others do the same. If you get all teary eyed because some career criminal thug ODs on fentanyl while in police custody, then obviously you should also support the Palestinians.
The whole world was wrong about the osirak nuclear reactor in 1981 and condemned Israel for bombing it. Of course Israel was proved right on that one some years later.
The whole world is often wrong especially when it comes to Israel. The UN is wrong pretty much 100% of the time.
R Natan,
You are a talented writer.
Please can I urge you to read this grotesquely skewed article by Jeremy Bowen, the BBC's שונא ישראל In Chief.
Can you engage your writing skills to rip apart this disgusting article, lie by lie?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67404110
I suggest your critique become a new Post on this site and should also be sent to major news outlets.
Bowen is directly fanning the flames of Anti Israel hatred.
The irony is, psychotic Palestinian activist Ahed Tamimi actually IS threatening to drink Jewish blood!