Amsalem is another government official who sell out the Israeli citizens to buy votes (ie- from charedi bloc who sell their collective vote to the highest bidders). These charedi groups are not Torah scholars. They are just an organized extortion gang who hide behind the Torah. They have done more than anyone else to drive Israelis AWAY from Torah. Why havent other rabbinic leaders spoken out against these charedi mob mosses (ie- also called Gedolei Hador by their ignorant followers). Food for thought.
Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn’t last weeks parsha about the census and abled bodied men fit to fight? Bibi, who’s such a disgrace at this point, needs to go. The Charedi ideology is a complete inversion of the Torah and its values. Bibi will do anything to stay in power, including pandering to these anti-Zionist shirkers, free loaders who see themselves better than other Jews. It’s a disgrace. Hopefully the Israeli public is fed up and gets rid of the Charedi in power.
This post is patently unfair and off the mark, despite the general validity of the underlying point of view.
What percentage of the greater dati-leumi community lives up to the lofty ideals you describe? I grew up MO in a very tzioni family with everyone on my mother's side and some of my father's side making aliya decades ago - sixty years ago for the older generation and my mother and sisters forty. Everyone of age went through the army idealistically but precious few look anything like the people you describe. Are they "celebrating" that Torah in the sense that they theoretically believe that ideal? Mostly. But they and most of the dati leumi world don't live that way at all. They live modern lives influenced as much by the secular vision of Zionism as the religious. This is not a knock - their Emunah and commitment run deep and it is a society with much to take pride in. But let's not pretend they're close to the ideal you describe. There is now enormous diversity with huge numbers identifying as dati-leumi for social/identity reasons with little true connection to Torah at all - maybe even most in the younger generation.
Notice also how there of your six points about charedim are about the gedolim, which are unique to a tiny and specific cohort. No previous generation of gedolim agreed with the most controversial positions they take, which are obviously based on politics. More importantly, the "Torah they celebrate" it's primarily and naturally about the learning side, and you know very well the doing side you describe, that involves the modern world, is one they find impossible to do in this crazy generation without corrupting the Torah. I hate that decision but at the same time when I look at the "spiritual" vulnerability of the dati leumi community as an alternative, especially imagining it without the strength of the charedi commitment to Torah anchoring it, it's easier to understand what's driving their fear.
The clear answer to me is a combination of the two but your post is not fair in either direction.
Amsalem is another government official who sell out the Israeli citizens to buy votes (ie- from charedi bloc who sell their collective vote to the highest bidders). These charedi groups are not Torah scholars. They are just an organized extortion gang who hide behind the Torah. They have done more than anyone else to drive Israelis AWAY from Torah. Why havent other rabbinic leaders spoken out against these charedi mob mosses (ie- also called Gedolei Hador by their ignorant followers). Food for thought.
Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn’t last weeks parsha about the census and abled bodied men fit to fight? Bibi, who’s such a disgrace at this point, needs to go. The Charedi ideology is a complete inversion of the Torah and its values. Bibi will do anything to stay in power, including pandering to these anti-Zionist shirkers, free loaders who see themselves better than other Jews. It’s a disgrace. Hopefully the Israeli public is fed up and gets rid of the Charedi in power.
Their torah is no Torah.
This post is patently unfair and off the mark, despite the general validity of the underlying point of view.
What percentage of the greater dati-leumi community lives up to the lofty ideals you describe? I grew up MO in a very tzioni family with everyone on my mother's side and some of my father's side making aliya decades ago - sixty years ago for the older generation and my mother and sisters forty. Everyone of age went through the army idealistically but precious few look anything like the people you describe. Are they "celebrating" that Torah in the sense that they theoretically believe that ideal? Mostly. But they and most of the dati leumi world don't live that way at all. They live modern lives influenced as much by the secular vision of Zionism as the religious. This is not a knock - their Emunah and commitment run deep and it is a society with much to take pride in. But let's not pretend they're close to the ideal you describe. There is now enormous diversity with huge numbers identifying as dati-leumi for social/identity reasons with little true connection to Torah at all - maybe even most in the younger generation.
Notice also how there of your six points about charedim are about the gedolim, which are unique to a tiny and specific cohort. No previous generation of gedolim agreed with the most controversial positions they take, which are obviously based on politics. More importantly, the "Torah they celebrate" it's primarily and naturally about the learning side, and you know very well the doing side you describe, that involves the modern world, is one they find impossible to do in this crazy generation without corrupting the Torah. I hate that decision but at the same time when I look at the "spiritual" vulnerability of the dati leumi community as an alternative, especially imagining it without the strength of the charedi commitment to Torah anchoring it, it's easier to understand what's driving their fear.
The clear answer to me is a combination of the two but your post is not fair in either direction.