It's like the rhetoric from Dems in the US in 2016 (and some now too) that they will leave if Trump gets in. Fun to use by the other side to denigrate them, but ultimately not really a literal statement. Maybe some will leave, maybe not, but ultimately people mostly deal with the new realities on the ground. Much more likely lots of civil disobedience, lots of bins being burnt.
Probably tens of thousands of chareidi ashkenazim have a great grandparent from Poland, which gives them right to apply for citizenship to Poland and the right to live anywhere in the EU. No requirement for pursuit of college education. Chareidim do fine in chu"l, although I'm sure they would be sad to leave. If the non-chareidim really hate the chareidim that much, this might be the best possible arrangement for everybody.
"But there are still conditions to immigration. And one of the most basic is that the immigrant group are economically beneficial to the country rather than creating an economic burden. They must enter the workforce. They must pay taxes rather than just take welfare benefits. They must create a net benefit for the country."
Besides for Poland's citizenship rule, the millions of African migrants to Europe and Hispanic immigrant to the US show that there are definitely no such conditions, which you just made up off the top of your head.
"But there are still conditions to immigration. And one of the most basic is that the immigrant group are economically beneficial to the country rather than creating an economic burden. They must enter the workforce."
When you lived in Manchester, did you ever wander around outside at all? 75% of the Somali population is unemployed. Obviously Somalians are pretty bad even by third world standards, but stats for Pakistanis and other diversity-bringers are also pretty bad.
"Surely the Chief Rabbi of Israel should be inspiring the nation with the beauty of Judaism, not turning people off from it by making it about selfishness and avoiding shared responsibility."
To a very large degree, announcing charedim would be leaving is abandoning the core principle of faith of torah protects. If hishtadlus is meaningless, and the pursuit of Torah is all that matters, physical location should not matter. All that matters is acting in accordance to God's will.
Maybe they should have more faith in God and their own pursuits than physical means.
I have long contended that the single fundamental characteristic, or at least one that is common to all strands, of haredism is the refusal to distinguish ikar from tafel. This is is the reason why it is possible to have riots over kaparot, for example, or to issue herems over the identity of the arnevet.
One of the big differences between the current Chief Rabbis is that Rabbi Lau served in the army and before his current position he was the Rav of a city with a large secular population (Modi'in), where he integrated himself with all segments of society, regularly met with and spoke at both religious and non-religious institutions, including schools, youth groups, and public events.
Rabbi Lau understands the issues that are important to the secular community, and this has been evident in the way he carries out his job as Chief Rabbi, including how he approaches kashrut issues, conversion, divorce, and meeting with public officials.
On the other hand, before his current position, Rav Yitzhak Yosef was the Rosh yeshiva of Yeshivat Hazon Ovadia, and he never fully made the transition from Rosh Yeshiva to Chief Rabbi.
For example, there is a big difference between the way kashrut should be handled in a Yeshiva dining room, compared the the kashrut policy for an entire country. Or in this case, the type of language or exaggeration which may be suitable for a Shiur Klali which is not recorded in a Yeshiva, which is not necessary suitable when speaking on behalf of a national institution to an audience which includes secular journalists.
The next chief Rabbis may be similar to the predecessors. The current candidate for Ashkenazi CR is Rav Meir Kahana (spelt with an "a" at the end, unlike a different "Meir Kahane"), who is in the Beit din in Ashkelon where he regularly works with secular people, and he served in the IDF (served in Tzanchanim in Lebanon and has the ranbk of Sgan Aluf).
The candidate for Sfardi CR is the brother of the current Rav (or maybe Ariye Deri's brother).
They should change his title to הראשון מציון.
I think an equally concerning issue is the lack of appreciation for Eretz Yisrael.
We live in Eretz Yisrael because it's the land given to us by Hashem and not because it's the center of Torah that so many charedim mistakenly think.
I have heard many times from Haredim that it doesn't really matter where they live as long as its a place of Torah.
It's sad that they never really develop an understanding and appreciation of what it means to live in Eretz Yisrael.
It's like the rhetoric from Dems in the US in 2016 (and some now too) that they will leave if Trump gets in. Fun to use by the other side to denigrate them, but ultimately not really a literal statement. Maybe some will leave, maybe not, but ultimately people mostly deal with the new realities on the ground. Much more likely lots of civil disobedience, lots of bins being burnt.
The Chareidi response to these silly political posts written by people who like to obfuscate the Chareidi issues:
https://irrationalistmodoxism.substack.com/p/chareidim-in-a-democracy
Probably tens of thousands of chareidi ashkenazim have a great grandparent from Poland, which gives them right to apply for citizenship to Poland and the right to live anywhere in the EU. No requirement for pursuit of college education. Chareidim do fine in chu"l, although I'm sure they would be sad to leave. If the non-chareidim really hate the chareidim that much, this might be the best possible arrangement for everybody.
"But there are still conditions to immigration. And one of the most basic is that the immigrant group are economically beneficial to the country rather than creating an economic burden. They must enter the workforce. They must pay taxes rather than just take welfare benefits. They must create a net benefit for the country."
Besides for Poland's citizenship rule, the millions of African migrants to Europe and Hispanic immigrant to the US show that there are definitely no such conditions, which you just made up off the top of your head.
"But there are still conditions to immigration. And one of the most basic is that the immigrant group are economically beneficial to the country rather than creating an economic burden. They must enter the workforce."
When you lived in Manchester, did you ever wander around outside at all? 75% of the Somali population is unemployed. Obviously Somalians are pretty bad even by third world standards, but stats for Pakistanis and other diversity-bringers are also pretty bad.
"Surely the Chief Rabbi of Israel should be inspiring the nation with the beauty of Judaism, not turning people off from it by making it about selfishness and avoiding shared responsibility."
Reminds me of this https://irrationalistmodoxism.substack.com/p/the-selfishness-of-rashi
To a very large degree, announcing charedim would be leaving is abandoning the core principle of faith of torah protects. If hishtadlus is meaningless, and the pursuit of Torah is all that matters, physical location should not matter. All that matters is acting in accordance to God's will.
Maybe they should have more faith in God and their own pursuits than physical means.
I have long contended that the single fundamental characteristic, or at least one that is common to all strands, of haredism is the refusal to distinguish ikar from tafel. This is is the reason why it is possible to have riots over kaparot, for example, or to issue herems over the identity of the arnevet.
Rav Granot (who lost a son in the first weeks of the war) in a response to Rav Yosef.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?si=DhHZEvs5Dw4C4y4p&v=-4boCkW-r30&feature=youtu.be
He says it better than any of us can
One of the big differences between the current Chief Rabbis is that Rabbi Lau served in the army and before his current position he was the Rav of a city with a large secular population (Modi'in), where he integrated himself with all segments of society, regularly met with and spoke at both religious and non-religious institutions, including schools, youth groups, and public events.
Rabbi Lau understands the issues that are important to the secular community, and this has been evident in the way he carries out his job as Chief Rabbi, including how he approaches kashrut issues, conversion, divorce, and meeting with public officials.
On the other hand, before his current position, Rav Yitzhak Yosef was the Rosh yeshiva of Yeshivat Hazon Ovadia, and he never fully made the transition from Rosh Yeshiva to Chief Rabbi.
For example, there is a big difference between the way kashrut should be handled in a Yeshiva dining room, compared the the kashrut policy for an entire country. Or in this case, the type of language or exaggeration which may be suitable for a Shiur Klali which is not recorded in a Yeshiva, which is not necessary suitable when speaking on behalf of a national institution to an audience which includes secular journalists.
The next chief Rabbis may be similar to the predecessors. The current candidate for Ashkenazi CR is Rav Meir Kahana (spelt with an "a" at the end, unlike a different "Meir Kahane"), who is in the Beit din in Ashkelon where he regularly works with secular people, and he served in the IDF (served in Tzanchanim in Lebanon and has the ranbk of Sgan Aluf).
The candidate for Sfardi CR is the brother of the current Rav (or maybe Ariye Deri's brother).
Will they demand that the State pay for their yordim tickets?
I say let them go and good riddance
Any GoFundMe's to pay for the mass departure? This could be a wonderful test of rationalism v mysticism.
If Rabbi Yitzhak Yosef hates the State of Israel so much, he can always move back to Egypt and see how that goes.
Maybe Spain and Poland accept immigrants in large numbers, but are still among the most anti-Semitic countries in Europe. No the best place to be Jew