What do they have to do with any of this? They have chosen to live in America and don't get to interfere in the affairs of other countries or feel guilty for their actions. If some other American did the same about China or India, they would be accused of imperialism.
But 2 can play at this game. I suggest Israelis say the following al chets:
Al chet for allowing our American cousins to live in huge homes, drive huge cars and fly all the time when they are committed to saving the planet
Al chet for those in the US not paying reparations to former slaves families and returning land to Native Americans who it was stolen from
Al chet for those in the US exploiting their own workers and employing illegals yet demanding social justice
Al chet for insisting that Black Lives Matter but remaining silent when Jews are attacked
Al chet for supporting extreme local politicians that have ruined cities like San Francisco and Portland for everyone and especially their poorest inhabitants and are helping to elect one in New York so it can go the same way
Of course you would prefer if our friend’s soldier son - who was there and explained about Hamas’ use of white flags and Hebrew signs to lure soldiers in to an ambush - would be killed.
Thank you. But nitwit ‘Jew well’ thinks Hamas wears uniforms, never speaks Hebrew, doesn’t set traps for IDF, and gnat IDF soldiers who tragically killed hostages who escaped did it on purpose. I thought Jews were supposed to be smart but this person is an idiot.
So you think that was done on purpose? What is wrong with you? Your ignorance is astounding. And of course we need you to chastise the IDF for this tragedy. Maybe you should lead them in prayer and tell them exactly how to atone for this. You have so much knowledge about operating in an urban war zone full of terrorists who believe it or not don’t wear uniforms. Except of course during cease fires.
Indeed. If this so called rabbi really cared that he had participated in some sin regarding the war against Hamas, it’s his own conscience. This is a game. And quite a disgusting one. When our fellow Jews are fighting in Gaza to rid the area of terror, this asshole writes performative crap and pretends it’s the very significant Al Cheit prayer. These people are ridiculous.
The *de jure* boundaries of Medinat Yisrael remain the 1948 Armistice line. Nothing else has been properly annexed, not even the Golan or East Jerusalem.
There were humongous levels of civilian casualties in the last months of World War 2. Warsaw, Budapest, Manila, Berlin, Tokyo, all with six figure death tolls. The people complaining about the Gaza death tolls would have allowed the Nazi and Japanese genocidists to remain in power, probably to this very day.
At the end of the war many Kapos were murdered by the hands of those they beat and some very religious Jews were front and center as these Jews are lost. I once said about Jews who believed their humrot were more Jewish He said they were Mohammadins. I said they were Christians and whole new religion and these progressives are anew religion But so shameful as they would throw themselves into the fire when they cry with a splinter
Really it’s meaningless virtue signalling done for social acceptance in the social world of barbarian sympathizers. As my Israeli brother explained to me, leftism is a religion.
Sadly, the phenomenon of the self hating “kapo Jew” is not uncommon throughout Jewish history. Whether through profound ignorance or some deep seated psychological need (ie Stockholm Syndrome) such individuals turn their backs on their own people, land, culture and history. What they never understand until it is too late is that there is no great success in being on the last train to Auschwitz.
If you know anything about the posturing,arrogant, virtue signalling yoredet who spearheads this loathsome gang, nothing would surprise. She’s barely a half tick to the right of Peter Beinart yimach shemo.
These people have also disassociated from the Jewish nation. They are “chareidim” of a different sort. But really more like mumarim of old. The baptismal font is no longer required to become a mumar. Virtue signaling to the progressive “religion” is the way it’s done in the 21st century.
This is typical of progressive ‘as a Jew’ professors like Myers at UCLA. I used to attend Rabbi Dr. Chaim Seidler-Feller’s services at Hillel when I was a student at UCLA in the 1980s. He was left wing then and apparently hasn’t gained any wisdom regarding Israel and as has the cult of Palestine mind virus that has gripped the West since the 7/10 atrocities. This absolves our enemies of everything is the most depraved example of inversion by blaming, we the victims. These people are sick in my opinion. The only Al Chayet we should utter is ‘for the sin of being useful idiot Jews for our enemies’. To paraphrase the Talmud: ‘Those who are kind to the cruel, will be cruel to the kind.’ G-d save us from these Erev Rav.
I immediately recall what C.S. Lewis writes in “The Dangers of National Repentance”:
“The first and fatal charm of national repentance is, therefore, the encouragement it gives us to turn from the bitter task of repenting our own sins to the congenial one of bewailing—but, first, of denouncing—the conduct of others. If it were clear to the young that this is what he is doing, no doubt he would remember the law of charity. Unfortunately the very terms in which national repentance is recommended to him conceal its true nature. By a dangerous figure of speech, he calls the Government [here not even their own government] not ‘they’ but ‘we’. And since, as penitents, we are not encouraged to be charitable to our own sins, nor to give ourselves the benefit of any doubt, a Government which is called ‘we’ is ipso facto placed beyond the sphere of charity or even of justice. You can say anything you please about it. You can indulge in the popular vice of detraction without restraint, and yet feel all the time that you are practising contrition. A group of such young penitents will say, ‘Let us repent our national sins’; what they mean is, ‘Let us attribute to our neighbour... in the Cabinet, whenever we disagree with him, every abominable motive that Satan can suggest to our fancy.’”
על חטא שחטאנו לפניך באונס וברצון: You have to teshuvah for the very fact that you were put in an impossible situation, or for what aveirah made you unworthy of protection from later aveiros (עבירה גוררת עבירה).
Reg. mentioning Hamas, last I checked, one does teshuvah for themselves, not other people. What that means for this list, well...
As to the list, I think they're really covered in the regular (Arizal inflected, I'm sure you say a less-kabbalistic one) Al Chet.
Al Chet for the sin of sullying the name of God and Judaism.
Chillul Hashem, that's on the list.
Al Chet for the sin of abandoning the mitzvah of redeeming the captive.
Israel broke the last cease-fire instead of continuing the phases. The crazies in the cabinet have said the captives are of secondary import.
Al Chet for the sin of bringing death and devastation upon our neighbor.
Bal Tashchis. Everybody (except the most bloodthirsty) agrees there has been unnecessary death and destruction. See previous comments, that's also something you need to do teshuvah for.
Al Chet for the sin of imposing our own suffering on the other.
Not exactly sure what this means. Turning the Shemini Atzeres massacres into "immersive experiences?"
Al Chet for the sin of denying our neighbor’s right to live.
מעשים בכל יום. Repeated invoking of Amalek. On the way to the rally in Washington last November, somebody said this was punishment for neglecting the mitzvah of destroying the nations of Canaan. Uncensured members of the Israeli cabinet actually calling for genocide.
Al Chet for the sin of violating the dignity of other human beings.
Sde Teman.
Al Chet for the sin of waging a war of revenge.
Not sure that's a halachic category...
Al Chet for the sin of starving people, especially innocent children.
The Defense Minister only said they would engage in starvation as an act of war. Besides the initial "complete siege" line.
Al Chet for the sin of stealing another’s land.
Continual settlement expansion in violation of international and Israeli law, with government support. DNA doesn't give anybody, Jew or Levantine, a right to Israel. Hashem promised us a land as reward for our following the Torah. I'm gonna say it. The Nova concert was chillul Shabbos b'farhesia. But yes, we're living in the Messianic Era. In the meantime, International Law stipulates that those driven from their homes during a conflict have a right to return after said conflict is over; especially if they plan to return.
Benny Morris said Israel was responsible for some Palestinian displacement in the war. He also said it didn't go far enough and they should have finished the job. He has mellowed a little in his old age, he's afraid the current war will be a pyrrhic victory.
Al Chet for the sin of mastery and supremacy over others.
Racism is bad. Only the most extreme will deny these sentiments. Whether the West Bank is an Apartheid-type system or merely a lot of unofficial discrimination, I don't know.
Al Chet for the sin of indifference and blindness.
The suggested text here is meant to be a confession, not a complete and balanced analysis of the entire war. Thus, it only includes sins in which the confessor is somehow implicated, even if indirectly, either as a member of Israeli society, or as an American whose country supplies Israel with weapons and support, or as a Jew who identifies with Israel or has done so in the past. Thus, there is no need to mention sins for which the confessor bears no responsibility at all, such as the actions of Hamas. There is also no need to mention actions that are not sins, such as elements of the war that are legitimate self-defense.
The suggested text here is virtue signaling idiocy. Not interested in your ‘explanation’ of what’s obvious. My suggestion for you which I know is presumptuous but here it goes. ‘For the sin of confusion of the heart.’
"How do you balance the importance of destroying Hamas with the importance of getting the hostages out? How many civilian casualties are justified? I don’t think that an objectively correct answer to these questions even exists. "
And not one in which diaspora Jews should be second-guessing Israel. We here in galut have different things to worry about.
There probably really is a sin here most of us committed to some extent: we told ourselves that "whatever they say or do, they're still Jews" and treated them with too much courtesy, perhaps out of complacency and inertia more than out of principle. I resolve to treat them exactly as I would a non-Jew who said such things: as an enemy.
12. Al Cheit for the sin of encouraging those who would destroy the Jewish people.
13. Al Cheit for the sin of caring more for the Jew haters than for the victims of Jew hatred.
14. Al Cheit for the the sin of teaching my children they should be ashamed of being Jews.
15. Al Cheit for the sin of teaching my children they are murderers and not deserving of life.
What do they have to do with any of this? They have chosen to live in America and don't get to interfere in the affairs of other countries or feel guilty for their actions. If some other American did the same about China or India, they would be accused of imperialism.
But 2 can play at this game. I suggest Israelis say the following al chets:
Al chet for allowing our American cousins to live in huge homes, drive huge cars and fly all the time when they are committed to saving the planet
Al chet for those in the US not paying reparations to former slaves families and returning land to Native Americans who it was stolen from
Al chet for those in the US exploiting their own workers and employing illegals yet demanding social justice
Al chet for insisting that Black Lives Matter but remaining silent when Jews are attacked
Al chet for supporting extreme local politicians that have ruined cities like San Francisco and Portland for everyone and especially their poorest inhabitants and are helping to elect one in New York so it can go the same way
Al Cheit for twisting our prayers into performative play acting.
"abandoning the mitzvah of redeeming the captive."
Huh??? As if Hamas was going to redeem the hostages for money????? Are they nuts???????
I assume they mean giving Hamas whatever it demands. Which shows they know nothing about the mitzvah of redeeming captives.
I think giving orders to soldiers which ultimately result in having them murdering escaping hostages holding a white flag qualifies.
Do you know how many soldiers are killed by friendly fire - not just in this war, but in all wars?
yeah, and the people who do it, you know, they regret and confess.
Of course you would prefer if our friend’s soldier son - who was there and explained about Hamas’ use of white flags and Hebrew signs to lure soldiers in to an ambush - would be killed.
Thank you. But nitwit ‘Jew well’ thinks Hamas wears uniforms, never speaks Hebrew, doesn’t set traps for IDF, and gnat IDF soldiers who tragically killed hostages who escaped did it on purpose. I thought Jews were supposed to be smart but this person is an idiot.
The human capacity for self delusion never ceases to amaze…
Sometimes I think it’s sheer stupidity.
Truly incomprehensible.
please, people. Why heap on the insults! Just point out where he is mistaken. It's erev YOM KIPPUR
"Mistaken" implies "but still well intentioned". Not the case here.
So you think that was done on purpose? What is wrong with you? Your ignorance is astounding. And of course we need you to chastise the IDF for this tragedy. Maybe you should lead them in prayer and tell them exactly how to atone for this. You have so much knowledge about operating in an urban war zone full of terrorists who believe it or not don’t wear uniforms. Except of course during cease fires.
Well-said: " it’s a social performance masked as a religious act."
The Left loves to talk about so-called "performativity"; this is indeed a perfect example of actual performativity
Indeed. If this so called rabbi really cared that he had participated in some sin regarding the war against Hamas, it’s his own conscience. This is a game. And quite a disgusting one. When our fellow Jews are fighting in Gaza to rid the area of terror, this asshole writes performative crap and pretends it’s the very significant Al Cheit prayer. These people are ridiculous.
"stolen land"
The *de jure* boundaries of Medinat Yisrael remain the 1948 Armistice line. Nothing else has been properly annexed, not even the Golan or East Jerusalem.
There were humongous levels of civilian casualties in the last months of World War 2. Warsaw, Budapest, Manila, Berlin, Tokyo, all with six figure death tolls. The people complaining about the Gaza death tolls would have allowed the Nazi and Japanese genocidists to remain in power, probably to this very day.
At the end of the war many Kapos were murdered by the hands of those they beat and some very religious Jews were front and center as these Jews are lost. I once said about Jews who believed their humrot were more Jewish He said they were Mohammadins. I said they were Christians and whole new religion and these progressives are anew religion But so shameful as they would throw themselves into the fire when they cry with a splinter
Really it’s meaningless virtue signalling done for social acceptance in the social world of barbarian sympathizers. As my Israeli brother explained to me, leftism is a religion.
My Congress Member, Ritchie Torres, is a leftist. And arguably the most outspoken supporter of Israel in the US House of Representatives.
Unfortunately that is rare today. Henry Wallace is turning over in his grave.
Sadly, the phenomenon of the self hating “kapo Jew” is not uncommon throughout Jewish history. Whether through profound ignorance or some deep seated psychological need (ie Stockholm Syndrome) such individuals turn their backs on their own people, land, culture and history. What they never understand until it is too late is that there is no great success in being on the last train to Auschwitz.
If you know anything about the posturing,arrogant, virtue signalling yoredet who spearheads this loathsome gang, nothing would surprise. She’s barely a half tick to the right of Peter Beinart yimach shemo.
Who?
These people have also disassociated from the Jewish nation. They are “chareidim” of a different sort. But really more like mumarim of old. The baptismal font is no longer required to become a mumar. Virtue signaling to the progressive “religion” is the way it’s done in the 21st century.
Perhaps Meyer and Seidler-Feller might consider their over-inflated egos : “for the sin of indoctrinating college students with this al-cheit”
This is typical of progressive ‘as a Jew’ professors like Myers at UCLA. I used to attend Rabbi Dr. Chaim Seidler-Feller’s services at Hillel when I was a student at UCLA in the 1980s. He was left wing then and apparently hasn’t gained any wisdom regarding Israel and as has the cult of Palestine mind virus that has gripped the West since the 7/10 atrocities. This absolves our enemies of everything is the most depraved example of inversion by blaming, we the victims. These people are sick in my opinion. The only Al Chayet we should utter is ‘for the sin of being useful idiot Jews for our enemies’. To paraphrase the Talmud: ‘Those who are kind to the cruel, will be cruel to the kind.’ G-d save us from these Erev Rav.
I immediately recall what C.S. Lewis writes in “The Dangers of National Repentance”:
“The first and fatal charm of national repentance is, therefore, the encouragement it gives us to turn from the bitter task of repenting our own sins to the congenial one of bewailing—but, first, of denouncing—the conduct of others. If it were clear to the young that this is what he is doing, no doubt he would remember the law of charity. Unfortunately the very terms in which national repentance is recommended to him conceal its true nature. By a dangerous figure of speech, he calls the Government [here not even their own government] not ‘they’ but ‘we’. And since, as penitents, we are not encouraged to be charitable to our own sins, nor to give ourselves the benefit of any doubt, a Government which is called ‘we’ is ipso facto placed beyond the sphere of charity or even of justice. You can say anything you please about it. You can indulge in the popular vice of detraction without restraint, and yet feel all the time that you are practising contrition. A group of such young penitents will say, ‘Let us repent our national sins’; what they mean is, ‘Let us attribute to our neighbour... in the Cabinet, whenever we disagree with him, every abominable motive that Satan can suggest to our fancy.’”
על חטא שחטאנו לפניך באונס וברצון: You have to teshuvah for the very fact that you were put in an impossible situation, or for what aveirah made you unworthy of protection from later aveiros (עבירה גוררת עבירה).
Reg. mentioning Hamas, last I checked, one does teshuvah for themselves, not other people. What that means for this list, well...
As to the list, I think they're really covered in the regular (Arizal inflected, I'm sure you say a less-kabbalistic one) Al Chet.
Al Chet for the sin of sullying the name of God and Judaism.
Chillul Hashem, that's on the list.
Al Chet for the sin of abandoning the mitzvah of redeeming the captive.
Israel broke the last cease-fire instead of continuing the phases. The crazies in the cabinet have said the captives are of secondary import.
Al Chet for the sin of bringing death and devastation upon our neighbor.
Bal Tashchis. Everybody (except the most bloodthirsty) agrees there has been unnecessary death and destruction. See previous comments, that's also something you need to do teshuvah for.
Al Chet for the sin of imposing our own suffering on the other.
Not exactly sure what this means. Turning the Shemini Atzeres massacres into "immersive experiences?"
Al Chet for the sin of denying our neighbor’s right to live.
מעשים בכל יום. Repeated invoking of Amalek. On the way to the rally in Washington last November, somebody said this was punishment for neglecting the mitzvah of destroying the nations of Canaan. Uncensured members of the Israeli cabinet actually calling for genocide.
Al Chet for the sin of violating the dignity of other human beings.
Sde Teman.
Al Chet for the sin of waging a war of revenge.
Not sure that's a halachic category...
Al Chet for the sin of starving people, especially innocent children.
The Defense Minister only said they would engage in starvation as an act of war. Besides the initial "complete siege" line.
Al Chet for the sin of stealing another’s land.
Continual settlement expansion in violation of international and Israeli law, with government support. DNA doesn't give anybody, Jew or Levantine, a right to Israel. Hashem promised us a land as reward for our following the Torah. I'm gonna say it. The Nova concert was chillul Shabbos b'farhesia. But yes, we're living in the Messianic Era. In the meantime, International Law stipulates that those driven from their homes during a conflict have a right to return after said conflict is over; especially if they plan to return.
Benny Morris said Israel was responsible for some Palestinian displacement in the war. He also said it didn't go far enough and they should have finished the job. He has mellowed a little in his old age, he's afraid the current war will be a pyrrhic victory.
Al Chet for the sin of mastery and supremacy over others.
Racism is bad. Only the most extreme will deny these sentiments. Whether the West Bank is an Apartheid-type system or merely a lot of unofficial discrimination, I don't know.
Al Chet for the sin of indifference and blindness.
This is covered in the traditional.
I will try to answer some of your questions.
The suggested text here is meant to be a confession, not a complete and balanced analysis of the entire war. Thus, it only includes sins in which the confessor is somehow implicated, even if indirectly, either as a member of Israeli society, or as an American whose country supplies Israel with weapons and support, or as a Jew who identifies with Israel or has done so in the past. Thus, there is no need to mention sins for which the confessor bears no responsibility at all, such as the actions of Hamas. There is also no need to mention actions that are not sins, such as elements of the war that are legitimate self-defense.
The suggested text here is virtue signaling idiocy. Not interested in your ‘explanation’ of what’s obvious. My suggestion for you which I know is presumptuous but here it goes. ‘For the sin of confusion of the heart.’
"How do you balance the importance of destroying Hamas with the importance of getting the hostages out? How many civilian casualties are justified? I don’t think that an objectively correct answer to these questions even exists. "
And not one in which diaspora Jews should be second-guessing Israel. We here in galut have different things to worry about.
There probably really is a sin here most of us committed to some extent: we told ourselves that "whatever they say or do, they're still Jews" and treated them with too much courtesy, perhaps out of complacency and inertia more than out of principle. I resolve to treat them exactly as I would a non-Jew who said such things: as an enemy.