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Rational Traditionalist's avatar

Yup, the new international kiruv movement begins right here. Never mind that the very methods dismissed in this post are responsible for tens of thousands of baalei teshuva over the past 50 years; now we're finally gonna do it right.

For all the naysayers who think it's hard to be mekarev people to Judaism if you don't actually believe in Judaism, just stand back and watch the revolution. In the upcoming series of posts we will demonstrate all the practical benefits of being Jewish WHILE maintaining your atheistic beliefs, from a sociological, psychological, and dermatological perspective (plus if you sign up for Judaism now you can take advantage of our group car rental rates and theatre discounts!)

So don't listen to those elitest snobs who don't consider you a religious Jew unless you, I don't know, subscribe to Judaism or something. Click here to join your local chapter of Jews for A, and together we'll show 'em how real inclusive kiruv is done.

But seriously folks, for the real reason we should not be engaging with this post, see here:

https://irrationalistmodoxism.substack.com/p/are-we-trying-to-convince-the-atheists

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I had a long series of comments on this idea of "proofs" of Torah a while back, which I may find and repost. It had to do mainly with logical fallacies that are used to prove Torah.

One thing I always start with is how risible the standards are. An easy one is that a court (secular or Jewish) has a standard for testimony: no second hand accounts.

Yet, the masorah is a very long telling and retelling of an account. No Jewish court would dream of accepting such testimony as part of evidence in a trial.

So, if you were on trial, you would cry "foul" at a second hand account (heresay) of what you are accused of doing. But, with an account that goes back thousands of years, you see GOOD evidence for Torah?

It's not a serious search for truth, this search to prove Torah. It starts with Torah is true, and a "gentlemen's agreement" to use any and all kinds of weak arguments (pretzel logic) to affirm that. That's what people smell in all religious apologetics.

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