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Ezra Brand's avatar

Great piece, as usual.

Re "They key point here is that King David himself was very much a soldier. He simply took on a different role later in life."

The Biblical verse in fact gives the exact point where this happened, 13 chapters later than that one quoted in Sanhedrin 49a (Shmuel II, 8:15–16). It was after David was almost killed by a giant Philistine in battle, and was saved by Avishai son of Zeruyah (Yoav's brother):

https://www.sefaria.org.il/II_Samuel.21.17:

אז נשבעו אנשי־דוד לו לאמר לא־תצא עוד אתנו למלחמה ולא תכבה את־נר ישראל

"It was then that David’s men declared to him on oath, “You shall not go with us into battle any more, lest you extinguish the lamp of Israel!”"

(The Talmud in Sanhedrin 95a greatly expands on that short Biblical story, see my discussion here:

https://www.ezrabrand.com/p/one-day-david-went-falcon-hunting)

Meaning, he was explicitly prohibited by his men to go into combat anymore, since he was too important to risk. Since he was king ("Ner Yisrael"), and his loss would be devastating

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*****'s avatar

How does Yeshivalnd understand the converse? What does the gemoroh mean 'Were it not for Yoav, Dovid could not be involved in tzedoko u'mishpot' (lose translation)? Why not? Torah protects, no? Shouldn't need Yoav at all?

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