I am an orthodox attorney, over 40 years in Israel. Of course I served in the IDF, eventually becoming a military judge. It was a zechut. I was contemplating with one or two other attorneys to make an official complaint with the police against Rabbi Lando for incitement to counter legal orders (according to a certain section of the criminal law).. so far I haven't found the people and I don't want to be a loner.. but would you agree to join me.. ?? Two frum people...
I live in Maalot, a city in the north of Israel and a popular tourist destination in the summer. We've had plenty of young charedim taking their vacation here. My two sons are serving. Two different countries. For some, a traumatized State of Israel at war. For others, the Eretz Yisroel theme park with all security and entertainment laid on.
And I live in Moreshet, a dati yeshuv in the north. During the last few weeks we have also seen many charedim vacationing here, including young men. I see them in shul in the morning before they go on tiyulim.
Where do you see that? Rav Feldman expressed clear discomfort with even davening for them, despite his professed belief that such tefillos would help tremendously.
Dear Rabbo Slifkin: What you are witnessing from the US is a knee-jerk account. It strikes me that most of the "yeshivish" rabbonim are not thinking. Admittedly there are some thinking Rabbis who agree intellectually. But I doubt most do. They are conveying blind solidarity to their fellow Rabbonim. After all, in America there are a lot of Yeshivish Baalei Batim. When I was last in L.A. I even met a doctor who goes regularly to Yarchei Kallah in the Mir. You have to work hard to afford that!! Perhaps some of those Rabbis can be spoken to and even persuaded. It is hard to guess, but I assume a serious dialogue could be conducted with some of them . Certainly if R Moshe Feinstein or R Yaacov Kaminetzky were around, an intelligent dialogue could have been arranged. חבל על דאבדין....
Their purpose certainly is. However, that is not necessarily what they always do. Otherwise, how do you explain the fact that other than the Bostoner Rebbe, and Rav Ovadia, not one spoke out against throwing Jews out of Gaza? Perhaps they are so immersed in Torah study that they don't really know what is going on in the world? In that sense it is a limud zechut. But I do expect more from them, I would have thought that if they express themselves on a political/national issue, they ought to be as familiar with it as deeply as they are with sugiot in Shas.
I am an orthodox attorney, over 40 years in Israel. Of course I served in the IDF, eventually becoming a military judge. It was a zechut. I was contemplating with one or two other attorneys to make an official complaint with the police against Rabbi Lando for incitement to counter legal orders (according to a certain section of the criminal law).. so far I haven't found the people and I don't want to be a loner.. but would you agree to join me.. ?? Two frum people...
Has any yeshiva canceled its bein hazmanim vacation in an effort to "abolish from upon us all harsh and evil decrees?"
I live in Maalot, a city in the north of Israel and a popular tourist destination in the summer. We've had plenty of young charedim taking their vacation here. My two sons are serving. Two different countries. For some, a traumatized State of Israel at war. For others, the Eretz Yisroel theme park with all security and entertainment laid on.
And I live in Moreshet, a dati yeshuv in the north. During the last few weeks we have also seen many charedim vacationing here, including young men. I see them in shul in the morning before they go on tiyulim.
Here's Kalman Libskind yesterday, reading a column that appeared in the Chareidi paper המבשר (not sure there's an online copy of the column).
https://kan.org.il/content/kan/kan-b/p-9996/4240_659_20250819 - starts at around 00:01:10.
One more brick in the wall
The Gedolim issued the wrong kol koreh
https://open.substack.com/pub/daastorah/p/where-are-the-kol-korehs-when-you?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=33pit
"One could be generous and say that the US rabbis mention these things out of genuine concern"
I'm not sure why that is generous. They have consistently cared about Israeli soldiers in the USA unlike in Israel.
Where do you see that? Rav Feldman expressed clear discomfort with even davening for them, despite his professed belief that such tefillos would help tremendously.
R Feldman is extreme eitz. I don't think he is mainstream American.
what is this new thing called eitz? I have never heard if it. (peleg?)
Yes
Dear Rabbo Slifkin: What you are witnessing from the US is a knee-jerk account. It strikes me that most of the "yeshivish" rabbonim are not thinking. Admittedly there are some thinking Rabbis who agree intellectually. But I doubt most do. They are conveying blind solidarity to their fellow Rabbonim. After all, in America there are a lot of Yeshivish Baalei Batim. When I was last in L.A. I even met a doctor who goes regularly to Yarchei Kallah in the Mir. You have to work hard to afford that!! Perhaps some of those Rabbis can be spoken to and even persuaded. It is hard to guess, but I assume a serious dialogue could be conducted with some of them . Certainly if R Moshe Feinstein or R Yaacov Kaminetzky were around, an intelligent dialogue could have been arranged. חבל על דאבדין....
Is claiming that the rabbonim are not thinking, supposed to be a limud zechut? Isn't their whole purpose based on thinking?
Their purpose certainly is. However, that is not necessarily what they always do. Otherwise, how do you explain the fact that other than the Bostoner Rebbe, and Rav Ovadia, not one spoke out against throwing Jews out of Gaza? Perhaps they are so immersed in Torah study that they don't really know what is going on in the world? In that sense it is a limud zechut. But I do expect more from them, I would have thought that if they express themselves on a political/national issue, they ought to be as familiar with it as deeply as they are with sugiot in Shas.