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Nachum's avatar

Some people are scared of the word "Zionist," some of them so scared they won't self-apply it even when accurate.

Look, "Zionist" has meant many things over the years. I'll give you an example: In the early days of the Zionist movement, a certain number of seats on the the Zionist Organization were reserved for "non-Zionists." Now, that sounds weird...until you realize that "Zionist" meant someone really devoted to the movement, someone who spent all of his spare time on it, was a formal member of the movement (or a party within it), etc. Say, Weizmann or Jabotinsky or Bar-Ilan. A "non-Zionist" was probably *just as supportive* of the goals of Zionism as the former group- but not in a formal, "member," sense. Say, the Rothschilds or even R' Revel in New York or maybe even R' Kook.

Obviously none of that is true anymore, and ceased to be true in around, oh, 1948. Being a "Zionist" obviously no longer meant you were trying to *create* a Jewish State; it now meant that you *supported* it. So *all* those people became "Zionists." (I imagine the presence of anti-Zionists, both left and charedi, also helped here, but I don't think it was a major factor. The existence of Israel was.) This explains various things, like how we're told R' Soloveitchik wasn't a "Zionist" before he actually joined Mizrachi (or how R' Kook supposedly wasn't a Zionist at all), or how charedim still refer to non-charedim as "Mizrachi" when Mizrachi hasn't really existed for about seventy years, or how Ben Hecht is gleefully quoted as attacking "Zionists" when he's really mostly attacking the Labor Party.

In most countries of the world, we'd just say "patriot." The thing about Israel is (to quote Hecht), it has millions of ambassadors around the world. That is, you can't exactly be a French patriot if you're not French. But you can be a Zionist without living in Israel- heck, you don't even have to be Jewish. (Again, the presence of actual anti-Zionists probably helps here, but again I don't think it's the main point.)

So yeah, a lot of charedim- especially those living in the US- have to have it broken to them gently that, like it or not, they're Zionists. Oh, they can quibble over details, but they are. It's just that the movement is (in its modern form) about 160 years old, which means it has a lot of baggage. So it might take a while.

*Israeli* charedim, on the other hand, will really have to have things fed to them. "Your wife just gave birth? Mazal tov! Where? Hadassah? Nice! Did she get treated well there? Are you grateful to them for your new child? Do you know what *Hadassah* is? Starts with a tzadi, ends with a yud." And then you can get more and more basic. "Oh, this sidewalk we're walking on? Zionist."

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David Eichler's avatar

Any citizen of any country has an obligation to help defend their country. The exemption from military service given to the ultra-orthodox in Israel was an expediency when Israel was a relatively young state and needed all the support it could get for its very existence. However, the need for that expediency is long gone and the ultra-orthodox now represent a large minority of the population. They should not receive exemptions from serving their country while the rest of their fellow citizens sacrifice. As far as the legitimacy of the founding of Israel, Israel is now a fait accompli and has the same right to exist and defend itself as any other country. Besides which, most countries were founded in ways that would trouble modern sensibilities.

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