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Shkoiach for the post, well written (as always) and great points. When it comes to politics, I have *only* questions.

1. I'm not quite so involved in Israeli politics, but in American politics we also have this crazy divide with two sides full of very reasonable, smart people. But there is real evil on both sides. I'm not sure which side I relate to less (because relating less with is all there is). On the one hand, the left stands for atheist, openly anti-Torah values, which I'm obviously not happy with. While the right has some pretty awful anti-Torah values as well, such as their terrible anti-immigration laws amongst other social issues. I'm not getting involved in details, but while most of my brethren will staunchly vote republican, I am not quite sure that is the way to go. I've 'fought' with people many a time, and things are pretty grey to me. Basically, the fact that there are two sides and two sides alone shows that things aren't quite so simple. (Isn't it curious that everyone who happened not to care much for covid also just so happens to hate the Iran deal? Along with a plethora of other unrelated ideas, these two are completely unrelated except for their media association.) Question #1: is it like that in Israel?

2. Another question, I'm not particularly happy with a Jewish state to begin with. There is so much obvious baggage that comes along with that. Once it is here, we can't deny the amazing hashgacha to bring Yisroel to the Holy Land and who knows where we'd be today without it? This also may be a path of the beginning of the final ישועה, but it may not be also. We don't know the future. If חלילה אלף פעמים something should happen to make it clear that was not a stepping stone specifically towards גאולה, our אמונה wouldn't change one bit. Meanwhile we can very much see the yad Hashem in what we have in front of us.

But now that we have this Jewish state - those are the facts - what should Yisroel do? Should it be a Jewish state, or a secular state? Having been secular, they've cared nothing about HKBH's Torah and values. To the contrary, they always have to be anti. At the same time should it be a completely frum state? So many people are not even Jewish and extremists ruling a country, even if they have the truth, is not a good look in the world today. Imagine Israel becoming overtly full of frum values; the backwards world would turn their backs immediately. We can easily lose all American funding. We're not Neviim; no one knows what will happen, but we must realize what *could* happen.

Point is, politics are very confusing and very black or white when there is a ton of grey. What do we do when the two sides turn into "frum" and "secular" when no side will be right for now? Until Mashiach comes, what do we do?

I have only questions.

I'm not sure if a simple compromise will help anything, because no side is going to compromise on what's actually important to them. Should the right in America compromise on trans issues? That will only hurt them. Should the left compromise on their tens of effective social issues? Things are far more complicated than this post projects.

I don't think you meant to simplify, but what compromises are you suggesting exactly?

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Garvin's avatar

You're right about the different perspectives. But why should I care about the losing party's perspective? They cared nothing for the other side all the decades they were in power, and still don't care about it in pockets where they still have it. If the left can't take it, it means they never believed in democracy in the first place.

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