This life of no vocation and using the Torah as a livelihood is as sinful as eating pork maybe more so. The yeshiva bocherim need to not only serve but to lead unsubsidized lives and contribute to society. This study for a living is pure unadulterated BS and in the long term perverts the overall teaching of the law. There is plenty of evidence that they can maintain a kosher lifestyle in the IDF.
You're right. This is disgusting. Beyond disgusting.
Clearly the people of Beit Shemesh paid for this insanity- that's the mayor and the city logo.
I have no words.
Should I mention that 98 million shekels was just transferred to the Charedi education system by our esteemed government two days ago, but only 15 million was allotted to upgrade hospital protected areas so patients don't have to be treated in underground parking lots in the next war?? I can't even breathe thinking about this.
So what's the point of applying your frame of reference to theirs? You're not helping anyone understand them or their behavior. All you can accomplish is mislead others into misunderstanding the actual dynamics and actual problems. This comes across as just throwing mud.
These people are brainwashed serfs of their so called “rabbis.” But they are not Rabbis. They are mafia bosses who sell the votes of their “subjects” to the highest bidder. They have no concern for Israel nor Israelis. They’ve just figured out how to abuse the system at the expense of Israeli taxpayers. They are an enemy of Israel from within and a total disgrace to Jews and of course Orthodox Jews. Imay God deal with them as they deserve
Perhaps someone could call the Beit Shemesh Municipality to find out who paid for this shindig, but here's the Guidestar for the organization as a whole:
I think at this point you need to consult with a social psychologist if your want any actual understanding of the mindset of these people. If you were to present them with all these arguments in the most pleasant, carrying and sensitive way, they would look at you like you were from some lost African tribe beating on drums. They don't occupy the same universe as you do and their minds and hearts, sociologically and psychologically, process this type of information and argument in a completely different way.
I agree that it breeds bad midos that only get worse, the same way mindlessly doing mitzvos and chesed can awaken a positive, sincere attitude to both. And that this viscous cycle has gotten pretty viscous. But the key point is that speaking from one frame of reference about another that is completely foreign to the first carries no actual meaning unless you "translate" by speaking from within the point of view of the other frame of reference.
This kind of argument is all about social psychology and without that discipline you're undermining your own academic clout.
This life of no vocation and using the Torah as a livelihood is as sinful as eating pork maybe more so. The yeshiva bocherim need to not only serve but to lead unsubsidized lives and contribute to society. This study for a living is pure unadulterated BS and in the long term perverts the overall teaching of the law. There is plenty of evidence that they can maintain a kosher lifestyle in the IDF.
My son said that the food wasn't bad over Pesach in Lebanon. I guess these Yeshiva guys have fear-of-missing-out.
You're right. This is disgusting. Beyond disgusting.
Clearly the people of Beit Shemesh paid for this insanity- that's the mayor and the city logo.
I have no words.
Should I mention that 98 million shekels was just transferred to the Charedi education system by our esteemed government two days ago, but only 15 million was allotted to upgrade hospital protected areas so patients don't have to be treated in underground parking lots in the next war?? I can't even breathe thinking about this.
So what's the point of applying your frame of reference to theirs? You're not helping anyone understand them or their behavior. All you can accomplish is mislead others into misunderstanding the actual dynamics and actual problems. This comes across as just throwing mud.
These people are brainwashed serfs of their so called “rabbis.” But they are not Rabbis. They are mafia bosses who sell the votes of their “subjects” to the highest bidder. They have no concern for Israel nor Israelis. They’ve just figured out how to abuse the system at the expense of Israeli taxpayers. They are an enemy of Israel from within and a total disgrace to Jews and of course Orthodox Jews. Imay God deal with them as they deserve
Perhaps someone could call the Beit Shemesh Municipality to find out who paid for this shindig, but here's the Guidestar for the organization as a whole:
https://www.guidestar.org.il/organization/580237741
I think at this point you need to consult with a social psychologist if your want any actual understanding of the mindset of these people. If you were to present them with all these arguments in the most pleasant, carrying and sensitive way, they would look at you like you were from some lost African tribe beating on drums. They don't occupy the same universe as you do and their minds and hearts, sociologically and psychologically, process this type of information and argument in a completely different way.
I agree that it breeds bad midos that only get worse, the same way mindlessly doing mitzvos and chesed can awaken a positive, sincere attitude to both. And that this viscous cycle has gotten pretty viscous. But the key point is that speaking from one frame of reference about another that is completely foreign to the first carries no actual meaning unless you "translate" by speaking from within the point of view of the other frame of reference.
This kind of argument is all about social psychology and without that discipline you're undermining your own academic clout.
Oh i agree that it's ultimately all about social psychology. The fundamental point is that they don't see themselves as part of the same society.