R. Kornreich's statements in essence are deligitimising the state of Israel and thus aiding the murderous Hamas.How can a Rabbi do this and live with himself, all in the name of frumkeit?!.
What an outrage. To totally negate the burden of the soldiers who literally risk their lives to save their own… The emperor has no clothes and his das torah is lehepach daas emes. Here we can see before our eyes Torah being a "Saam Hamaves". As the last Mishna in Sotah says: בְּעִקְּבוֹת מְשִׁיחָא ...חָכְמַת סוֹפְרִים תִּסְרַח וְהָאֱמֶת תְּהֵא נֶעְדֶּרֶת May there be less like him in Israel.
It's really very funny but sad. You guys get so outraged, so incensed, so offended every time a talmid chachom or Gadol speaks the truth. If you only knew how important Torah and mitzvos are... This is why it's hard to take it seriously every time a religious Zionist tells us "Why can't you be like the religious Zionists, we're just as religious as you? Aren't we?"
PS- there is no negation of the burdens of the soldiers in his statement. He is just saying the yeshiva students are doing a more important job than them. But he doesn't deny the soldiers are doing an important job as well. This is a dysfunctional part of your culture, that being a soldier must be held as the absolute pinnacle of human achievement. Anything less than total fandom is lethal, scathing hatred.
Back in the 1950's the Arabs infiltrated from Gaza and killed a bunch of Jews. Speaking afterward, Moshe Dayan said that it was understandable why they would do this: Gaza was full of Arab refugees (literally, back then) who'd been thrown out of/fled from their homes right across the line, and they could actually see the areas where they had lived being beautifully developed by Israel. So of course they were resentful and jealous and angry, and that's why they cross over and murder us.
The far Left today, Israeli and not, *loves* to quote this speech. Except, of course, they miss the point entirely: Dayan was in no way *justifying* the Arabs. He was speaking *at the memorial for those who had been killed*, who, being good kibbutzniks, were even "his" people. Dayan *himself* had thrown these Arabs out of their homes and did not regret it; he would go on to conquer Gaza itself *twice*, proudly. (Dayan was of course extreme secular far Left, but the Israeli Left back then was about as right-wing as Itamar Ben Gvir is today if not more.) What Dayan was saying was not that the Arabs were *justified*, but that they had a *justification*, right or wrong, and we have to understand it to be able to deal with it. (Dayan might have been incorrect in identifying the underlying problem, but he was trying to.)
Now Kornreich would like us to think that he's simply doing the same thing as Dayan. Except, of course, he is not. Dayan was, I will be the first to admit, a horrible human being whose ideas about Israel led to some very bad results, but in this one area, I'd say that he has a lot of נאמנות than Kornreich. When a strong Zionist says something, we can easily explain it one way. When someone with a long history of hating, hating, hating Israel and Zionism says the same thing, we are totally justified in reading it another way.
Sitting on a dais does not mean that you automaticaly agree with the views of every speaker. Most likely Rabbi Meiselman did not know what was going to be said.
And just because he disagreed with the Satmar speakers (or those specific lines) doesn't mean he disagreed with the point of the rally against the draft. And it's not some secret that Litvishe rosh yeshivos and Satmar are not exactly on the same page about everything.
Rabbi, you of all people should know that "Octopi" is not a word. Octopuses, octopods yes; octopi no. The reason being that the word "octopus" is derived from Greek, while the plural "i" ending applies to Latin words.
“octopus may ultimately come from Greek it had a stay in New Latin before arriving here” says Merriam-Webster. In describing that even though you are correct that it’s originally from Greek but we took it from Latin, hence Octopi can be correct!!
Your point about Torah study among Jews in America is important. It draws attention to the presence and significance of Torah learning within the American Jewish community which is usually not in the conversation.
When talking about not interviewing someone from the dati-leumi world, we have to think about what Mishpachah magazine is trying to do. They mostly focus on what the mainstream Torah community thinks. So, they might choose interviewees who share those views to keep things united and represent what most people believe.
Your point about comparing our time to when Moshe was around doesn't seem right. Back then, there was only one leader who received clear directions from God. Nowadays, things are more complex.
There is ZERO justification for Yishmael behaving like Yishmael. "Rabbi" Kornreich should know that. Whether any Arabs may have been driven off by force or not, is a result of them refusing to peacefully acknowledge Jewish sovereignty.
R. Kornreich's statements in essence are deligitimising the state of Israel and thus aiding the murderous Hamas.How can a Rabbi do this and live with himself, all in the name of frumkeit?!.
He thinks he is helping the Jewish people just like Slifkin does. Both are deluded, but Slifkin is much more obsessed with his imaginary mission.
https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/israel-news/2274668/hamashgiach-harav-dan-segal-equality-in-idf-service-we-carry-the-burden-alone.html
What an outrage. To totally negate the burden of the soldiers who literally risk their lives to save their own… The emperor has no clothes and his das torah is lehepach daas emes. Here we can see before our eyes Torah being a "Saam Hamaves". As the last Mishna in Sotah says: בְּעִקְּבוֹת מְשִׁיחָא ...חָכְמַת סוֹפְרִים תִּסְרַח וְהָאֱמֶת תְּהֵא נֶעְדֶּרֶת May there be less like him in Israel.
Hes the same קל דעת that said the מרכז הרב massacre was due to them not having the right השקפה
It's really very funny but sad. You guys get so outraged, so incensed, so offended every time a talmid chachom or Gadol speaks the truth. If you only knew how important Torah and mitzvos are... This is why it's hard to take it seriously every time a religious Zionist tells us "Why can't you be like the religious Zionists, we're just as religious as you? Aren't we?"
PS- there is no negation of the burdens of the soldiers in his statement. He is just saying the yeshiva students are doing a more important job than them. But he doesn't deny the soldiers are doing an important job as well. This is a dysfunctional part of your culture, that being a soldier must be held as the absolute pinnacle of human achievement. Anything less than total fandom is lethal, scathing hatred.
Back in the 1950's the Arabs infiltrated from Gaza and killed a bunch of Jews. Speaking afterward, Moshe Dayan said that it was understandable why they would do this: Gaza was full of Arab refugees (literally, back then) who'd been thrown out of/fled from their homes right across the line, and they could actually see the areas where they had lived being beautifully developed by Israel. So of course they were resentful and jealous and angry, and that's why they cross over and murder us.
The far Left today, Israeli and not, *loves* to quote this speech. Except, of course, they miss the point entirely: Dayan was in no way *justifying* the Arabs. He was speaking *at the memorial for those who had been killed*, who, being good kibbutzniks, were even "his" people. Dayan *himself* had thrown these Arabs out of their homes and did not regret it; he would go on to conquer Gaza itself *twice*, proudly. (Dayan was of course extreme secular far Left, but the Israeli Left back then was about as right-wing as Itamar Ben Gvir is today if not more.) What Dayan was saying was not that the Arabs were *justified*, but that they had a *justification*, right or wrong, and we have to understand it to be able to deal with it. (Dayan might have been incorrect in identifying the underlying problem, but he was trying to.)
Now Kornreich would like us to think that he's simply doing the same thing as Dayan. Except, of course, he is not. Dayan was, I will be the first to admit, a horrible human being whose ideas about Israel led to some very bad results, but in this one area, I'd say that he has a lot of נאמנות than Kornreich. When a strong Zionist says something, we can easily explain it one way. When someone with a long history of hating, hating, hating Israel and Zionism says the same thing, we are totally justified in reading it another way.
Sitting on a dais does not mean that you automaticaly agree with the views of every speaker. Most likely Rabbi Meiselman did not know what was going to be said.
He knew it was a Satmar-organized event, not an Agudah event. What does one expect to be said? Nor did je protest or walk out.
"je"- a new pronoun
Wow that’s a real weed picker, sorry nitpicker
And just because he disagreed with the Satmar speakers (or those specific lines) doesn't mean he disagreed with the point of the rally against the draft. And it's not some secret that Litvishe rosh yeshivos and Satmar are not exactly on the same page about everything.
He could have said something afterwards.
You think he was stupid enough to attend an event, sitting on the dais, not even knowing what it was about?
Rabbi, you of all people should know that "Octopi" is not a word. Octopuses, octopods yes; octopi no. The reason being that the word "octopus" is derived from Greek, while the plural "i" ending applies to Latin words.
Well well here is an excerpt from Gramerly
“octopus may ultimately come from Greek it had a stay in New Latin before arriving here” says Merriam-Webster. In describing that even though you are correct that it’s originally from Greek but we took it from Latin, hence Octopi can be correct!!
Big deal you still call 300 Elvis impersonators Elvi…
OCTOPODES
Regarding your letter to Mishpachah magazine.
Your point about Torah study among Jews in America is important. It draws attention to the presence and significance of Torah learning within the American Jewish community which is usually not in the conversation.
When talking about not interviewing someone from the dati-leumi world, we have to think about what Mishpachah magazine is trying to do. They mostly focus on what the mainstream Torah community thinks. So, they might choose interviewees who share those views to keep things united and represent what most people believe.
Your point about comparing our time to when Moshe was around doesn't seem right. Back then, there was only one leader who received clear directions from God. Nowadays, things are more complex.
There is ZERO justification for Yishmael behaving like Yishmael. "Rabbi" Kornreich should know that. Whether any Arabs may have been driven off by force or not, is a result of them refusing to peacefully acknowledge Jewish sovereignty.
Bees are also fish in the USA! https://blogs.loc.gov/law/2022/06/when-a-bee-is-a-fish-in-the-eyes-of-the-law/
Has Rabbi Kornreich issued an "corrections" or "responses" from you?