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BDE. R. Gold was a tremendous force for Jewry. He founded the Bnai Torah shul in Toronto, which today has fallen on hard times but was THE most vibrant shul in the city throughout the entire 1980s. A great man.

I once heard him ask: In Numbers 13:27 the Spies said about the land of Israel וְגַם זָבַת חָלָב וּדְבַשׁ הִוא וְזֶה פִּרְיָהּ. R. Gold explained that they used the word וגם in the sense of, "just like Egypt". (In 16:13 it says הַמְעַט כִּי הֶעֱלִיתָנוּ מֵאֶרֶץ זָבַת חָלָב וּדְבַשׁ לַהֲמִיתֵנוּ בַּמִּדְבָּר) It was a deliberate attempt to insult the land by comparing it to Egypt. (R. Gold noted similarly that some people try to trivialize the word "Holocaust" by applying it to all sorts of events of lesser magnitude.) This is why Joshua and Caleb pointedly responded in 14:8 אֶרֶץ אֲשֶׁר הִוא זָבַת חָלָב וּדְבָשׁ, ISRAEL was the blessed land (היא), not anywhere else. He further observed that this is why the Torah reading sometimes ends, in the middle of a narrative, when the phrase זבת חלב ודבש is used, to make one focus and reflect upon it.

Re the letter - if he asked you to publicize it, then you were right to post it. And what the man said, as quoted by R. Gold z"l, assuming accurate, was ugly. Its ugly when you bash Charedim, and its ugly when Charedim bash Mizrachim. All of it is ugly, ugly, ugly. I don't think I ever heard R. Gold say bad about other people, he focused only on the good. In the three week period, could there not be a better time for us to learn from his example?

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I know nothing about the departed; I'm sure he was a wonderful man despite this inane piece of literature. But it is no kavod to his memory to put this up as a monument to him.

Hamodia writes a typical chareidi anti-Zionist statement and he responds with 15 paragraphs of classic Zionist rhetoric. Why not just chop it down to one line: "I, Shalom Gold, personally align with the Zionist position on this matter"...

What's weird and arrogant and narrow minded about the whole thing is the assumption that regurgitating a volley hackneyed Zionist talking points that everybody knows already and those who disagree with disagree with, serves as some kind of tayna on Hamodia for ascribing to an alternative point of view. Typical Modox myopia, if you don't mind my saying so.

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