Wednesday, October 19, 2022

When Bravado is Folly

Last week, while Arabs in Sheikh Jarrah were throwing stones at security forces, Itamar Ben Gvir went to visit the scene. He pulled out his gun, yelled at his supporters to shoot the Arabs, and yelled at the Arabs that he will "mow them down."

Regarding this incident, here is what a former Shin Bet officer called Gonen Ben-Yitzchak wrote (and which I double-checked with a nephew of mine from the Shomron who was in Special Forces) 

"I see the picture of Itamar Ben Gvir with the gun in Sheikh Jarrah and I have to share something with you:

"I was in the Shin Bet for a total of ten years. During the difficult days of the Second Intifada. I was inside the firestorm. I was shot. I arrested dozens and hundreds of terrorists. Some of them are the most murderous terrorists we have known. I stopped some of them with my own hands when it was just me and the terrorist in the room for all kinds of reasons. Falah Nada, the Hamas man who religiously prepared the suicide bomber at Cafe Moment for example, and others as well. I was with Duvdevan in Surda, a week or two before the disaster when people opened fire on us from the roof during an arrest attempt.

"The number of times I found myself with a gun drawn in my hand is zero.

"Because the truth is, when there are security forces around you who are watching over you like in the case of Ben Gvir, unless you mess your pants out of fear, you don't have to walk around with a gun drawn. It's either a pose or cowardice or a combination of the two.

"Of course, this is not to mention the fact that Ben Gvir did not serve in the IDF, and did not receive a license for weapons except by virtue of being a Member of Knesset (criminals do not usually receive weapons). I don't suppose he has any shooting experience.

"A citizen who pulls out a weapon in a place full of security forces (and violence) first and foremost puts both the security forces and himself at risk."

This is a microcosm of (one of) the problems with Ben Gvir, and Smotrich, in general. It's all very well to talk about taking a tough approach with terrorists. It wins lots of popular appeal. But in the real world, there are real-life considerations. Every action has consequences - including political consequences, which are also of great importance.

It reminds of the time that another nephew of mine shot a terrorist, stopping him in his tracks but not killing him. I was deluged by people asking me why my nephew didn't "finish the job." These naive trigger-happy armchair soldiers only thought about one aspect of the situation. It didn't occur to them to think about the numerous harmful consequences of soldiers taking it upon themselves to freely shoot captured Palestinians in the head. 

An important editorial in The Jerusalem Post stresses the unprecedented dangers of Ben Gvir:

"....The upcoming election on November 1 is one of the most important in Israel’s 75 years and, more specifically, potentially the most dangerous. 

"The reason is due to the rise in power of Itamar Ben-Gvir, who is a danger to the State of Israel. He is the modern Israeli version of an American white supremacist and a European fascist. He is a threat to the future of Israel’s fragile democratic character, and if he gets his way – and Netanyahu gets his 61 seats – these two men will have the ability to demolish the country as we know it.

"All you have to do is listen to what Ben-Gvir says. In an interview with Channel 13 last week, he stood in the city of Hebron and spoke about the need to establish a “Ministry to Encourage Migration” that will help convince Palestinian Arabs to leave this land. Europe, he explained when asked, needs “working hands.”

"Imagine for a moment a European politician standing in a city in Europe with a Jewish majority and declaring the need to set up a government office that will encourage those Jews to migrate so they can work. Ring a bell? Would you not be outraged?

"...Israel’s former prime minister has legitimized Ben-Gvir in a way no one else in the mainstream political system ever would have imagined. Back when Yitzhak Shamir led Likud, he and the rest of the party would walk out of the Knesset when Meir Kahane went up to the podium to speak. Then, Kach was seen as illegitimate. Today, its de facto leader is on his way to becoming the most important politician in a future Netanyahu government. A government with Ben-Gvir in it will undermine Israel’s standing in the world, and the country will take on the contours of a fascist state.

"...While Netanyahu might try to avoid having his photo taken together with Ben-Gvir, as seen on Monday night in Kfar Chabad, everyone knows that the two are closely working together toward the same goal of destroying Israeli democracy.

"Both want to do so for different reasons. Netanyahu cares about nothing but his trial. He wants to find a way to avoid a conviction and jail time. Ben-Gvir is a convenient partner. He will help Netanyahu pass the legislation needed so that, in return, he can have the power to pass the legislation that will change Israel.

"A ministry to encourage migration is just the beginning of what he wants, and with a Netanyahu government completely dependent on Ben-Gvir, the Likud leader will have no choice but to capitulate to the extremist’s every demand."

There are a lot of good people planning to vote for the Smotrich/Ben Gvir alliance. They believe that they are voting for them for the sake of Israel's security. But they have no idea what they will be unleashing. It will be catastrophic for the State of Israel.


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75 comments:

  1. But having Arabs in the knesset paralizing the country is not a problem ofcourse. Encouraging the Arabs to emmigrate is a good idea. Many countries had removed the hostile polulations from their midst and benefited from it. If the Jews were undermining a European country, it would be perfectly fine to remove them. Diversity is not a good thing and leads to problems. There is no reason for any country to tolerate Jews or any other minoroty if they want to destroy it. This is very simple. The Arabs are the enemy. It doesn't make them inhetently bad or their struggle objectvely unjust, but it requires that they should be dealt with accordingly. This is how evolution, survival of the fittest and natural selection work. Might makes right - always did and always will.

    The security forces were either not present, unwilling or incapable of stoping the Arab violence and that's why Ben Gevir was called to help. And he did. His actions only made him more popular and may make his party the 3rd largest in the knesset. Had he shot some Arabs he would have gotten even more votes.

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    1. 'Might makes right - always did and always will'

      לא בחיל ולא בכח כי אם ברוחי אמר ה'.
      Does your nach contain those words? Perhaps it's just mine.
      But seriously now, you are aware that your words have nothing to do with Judaism and everything to do with generic right wing secular nationalism, aren't you?

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    2. Yes, I'm aware. I don't subscribe to religious nationalism, I separate the two.

      The prophet is talking about how things ought to be, not how they actually are in reality.

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    3. "But having Arabs in the knesset paralizing the country is not a problem ofcourse. "

      As opposed to the Jewish parties elected to Knesset that paralyse the country? Even the Zionist ones?

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    4. @Yossi

      Yes, ofcourse. The Arab parties are anti-Jewish and their presence makes it impossible to form a Jewish governmemt. Remove them and Israel will be out of the parliamentary crisis that it's in right now.

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    5. @Yakov - so alleged 'anti-jewish' is now the criteria? I hear talk that all 'leftists' are anti-jewish too so why not ban them as well? That way we can have a Jewish Iran - Jewish theocratic parties only - right?

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    6. @Yakov,
      I think you are confusing anti-Zionist with anti-Jewish. In Chutz la'Aretz, many Jews would feel that many of the pro-Zionist parties, even the Religious Zionist parties are in fact anti-Jewish from non-Israeli jews. Particularly those who engage in Chili HaShem of Jewish exceptionalism - racist policy agendas.

      And lets not start with the anti-Zionist anti-Jewish Charedi parties that are sectarian in policy and narrow in their definition of "Jewish".

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    7. There are no way to straddke these differnces. Most nations feel exceptional and many are in their own way. They want to remain this way and this is nationalism. When they lose their national will, they become weak and collapse. The strong will prevail - this is evolution.

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    8. @Yakov,
      So you meant anti-Israel - not anti-Jewish. But why object to only the non-jewish based anti-Israel parties. Surely this should also include the Jewish based anti-Israel parties as well? Exclude them from government as well.

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  2. More rubbish! This is Dr. Slifkin craftily trying to undermine anyone who will enable chareidim to join a coalition.....

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  3. Rabbi Slifkin, as a Zionist leaning resident of Bet Shemesh, I have a different issue with Smotrich and Ben Gvir.
    During one of the past elections, they both endorsed Moshe Abutbol saying that it was forbidden to vote for Eli Cohen, the Zionist candidate.
    Their lack of understanding in local politics and forceful words against Cohen made me realize that they are certainly not true servants of their constituents.
    Eli Cohen would have been far better for the entire population than the addition 5 years of the Abutbol fiasco that Bet Shemesh endured.

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  4. While I agree that Ben Givir is abad choice to be part of the Government Ifeel that the Raam party is also

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    1. Which probably means you will not vote for either. Oh the wonders of democracy and free and fair elections.

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  5. Oy! G-d forbid that Jews who take the Torah seriously should get power. A shanda! What will the goyim think! So horrible that a Jew should dare want to removed avowed enemies from our midst!

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    1. In what way does Ben-Gvir 'take the Torah seriously'? Hundreds of thousands of Israeli Arabs & Christians work and live peaceably in IL. They are embedded in our hospitals, workplaces and educational systems. In many cases, they are integrated, in others they are ghettoized by the state. You think the Torah wants them to be removed? Their villages emptied?

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    2. You equate Ben Give with "taking the Torah seriously"? Really??

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    3. The vast majority are happy to take whatever the Jews dole out to them, whilst unflinchingly looking forward to the day they can slaughter us. The truth is painful.

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    4. Where do you get the curious idea that we give anything to the Palestinians and they do the slaughtering?

      They have done most of the doling out, particularly measured in private and municipal land appropriated by the state, and we have, by a ratio often in excess of 10:1 , done most of the slaughtering, measured as the number of dead non combatants killed by combatants?

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    5. Well put
      Go on..
      Those who oppose Ben Gvir ,care little one way or the other about him

      But as is their wont they (typical of the crowd here) are unwilling publicly to go after their real nemesis, Smotrich

      What they really oppose is an dynamic Jewish oriented State And What energetic success it might potentially be shown to have.

      That will give away too much of their long game however

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    6. @anonymous
      There is indeed a distinction between ben gvir (bg) nd smotrich (S).
      BG is a true racist. His organising principle is hatred of arabs, not love of Torah. S loves Torah and wants a halachic state. So he is a juvenile idiot who didn't grow up after leaving Bnei Akiva. But this is a far lesser sin.
      Moderates do oppose a halachic state. It would be a disaster. (Run by who?? For example). But still, its a legitimate viewpoint to run fir elections. Dumb, but legitimate. BG's racism is utterly illegitimate.

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    7. Sorry, my last comment was intended for 'Cohen Y.' and not for 'anonymous'.

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    8. @The Hat

      How many Palestinians who were nowhere near any combatants were killed by Israeli combatants? You only get your claimed result of more Palestinian noncombatants killed than Israeli ones if you treat human shields for senior terror commanders as morally equivalent to people just waiting for a bus at the side of the road.

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    9. @the hat

      Please state your source for 10:1 non-combatants killed. Thanks.

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    10. https://statistics.btselem.org/en/all-fatalities/by-date-of-incident?section=overall&tab=overview

      4,916 Palestinians killed where participation in hostilities = No
      848 total Israeli civillian deaths



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    11. @The Hat - and the people who have responded to hir:

      Even if the 10:1 ratio is true - it is indicative of a number of things - most importantly is the fact that Israel government and its defence industries have invested huge amounts of resources in developing and deploying civil defence infrastructure. This includes air raid warning systems, bomb shelters and an air defence system that has proven itself to be superlative against the offensive technologies of our belligerent neighbours.

      This does stand in contrast with the Palestinians who (from my perspective) have wasted their resources on a futile conflict that only causes them harm- but then this is ultimately their strategy - to be the victims.

      The 10:1 ratio - if true - is an irrelevancy, a blunt metric that evokes an emotional response but which obscures the underling reasons for the conflict.

      Finally, the 10:1 ratio is a testament to the effectiveness of the Israeli Defence Force in their number one mission - to protect the life of Israel's citizens. Not one Israeli should die - not even one soldier - to protect the life of a belligerent. IF the Palestinians are concerned about civilian death then they should take measures to protect their own civilians. This may include cessation of lobbying rockets at Israel, or providing economic incentive to harm or kill Israelis/jews.

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    12. It is true that truth is largely an irrelevancy. You will believe whatever you want to believe, because feelings don't care about facts. Whinging Israelis will always believe they are the victims.

      Apparently dead innocent bodies are too blunt a metric. All those dead Palestinian bodies are a testament. Not a testament to the tens of billions of dollars of US aid that the IDF gets and the Palestinians don't in order to procure an air defence system. Just a testament to the combat efficiency of the IDF.

      I wonder why all the dead toddlers aren't put on the emblem of the IDF Yossi, or maybe... just maybe - it is a testament to your gargantuan immorality that you are proud of dead civilians.

      Of course, Yossi will provide a more finessed metric at some point in the next 15 millenia, but it is important not be too hasty because they are dying and the Jews are not.

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    13. @hat

      Indeed - and as I suspected- the most esteemed B’Tselem organization. So surely you realize that your original 10:1 claim was wrong. You’ve now revised it downwards considerably - what is it, 6:1?- without of course noting it. Your false original claim was based on your misreading of the data supplied by your link. I was unable to actually find the new figure you supplied. Perhaps you can share that. But of course the whole thing is based on the phantasmagoria of B’Tselem’s slavish devotion to the lies of Hamas, and their statistics are based on Hamas’ endlessly false reportage.

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    14. Dear The Hat,

      You seem to believe that "proportionality" in Israel's response to belligerency is somehow tied up in the numbers of people killed be each side. I will call this the "score card effect". Simply by counting the number of casualties you conclude that Israel's response is "disproportionate".

      Taken to its logical extreme, the score card approach to proportionality should really mean that for every 7 year old in Israel killed due to Palestinian missile attack on Israel, a 7 year old in Gaza should be sacrificed in the name of proportionality. A truly absurd proposition, but the reductio ad absurdum conclusion for your position.

      The other fallacy in what you have written is the you fail to assign any agency to the Palestinians for their involvement in the conflict. Instead, in your world view, they are passive victims who have no control over events the affect them. By denying them agency - you really are an anti-Arab racist because you do believe Arabs are capable of accountability.

      I said it previously - but I will repeat it because you seem to have been incapable of understanding - the IDF's moral obligation is to protect the lives of (1) the citizens of the State of Israel and (2) the lives of the soldiers fighting in the IDF. Only after satisfying these moral obligations do its moral obligations extend to belligerent populations. (Note - since you seem to be incapable of inference - this does not deny Israeli obligation to minimise Palestinian casualties, but that moral obligation is balanced against the need to protect the life of Israelis.)

      Similarly, the Palestinian Authority, and it's proxy militia groups have a moral obligation to protect the lives of their civilian population. Lobbing missiles at Israel - picking fights that not only they cannot win, but in fact intend to loose with the highest possible loss of Palestinian civilian life and infrastructure is antithetical to their moral obligations. In ignoring their real moral obligations, the Palestinian leadership do not pass those obligations onto Israel.

      The Hat - I never said I was proud of any civilian death - every death is a tragedy (all the more so since peace and statehood was offered to the Palestinians in 2000 and they not only rejected it, but deliberately resorted to violence in response). I will go further, the IDF should undertake an inquiry in response to every death to insure that every measure was taken to reduce casualties - and appropriate people are held accountable when these measures have not been enacted. The difference is unnecessary (or even unjustified) rather then "innocent".

      Nevertheless, I am proud of the Israel for investing in the infrastructure to protect the lives of Israeli citizens. Who would not be? (Other than the score keepers, of course!)

      "It is true that truth is largely an irrelevancy." - It would seem that for score keepers like you - you have to think to hard to actually understand the data.

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  6. Raam, Meretz and Labor are not danger to Israel's existence and democracy? Just look at this article in the Jerusalem Post, aleft wing paper!

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    1. Really, Meretz and Labor are a threat to the State and democracy? Let me guess, you're one of those morons who thinks the state of Israel was built by the inhabitants of Bet Shemesh and Bnei Brak.

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  7. I'm more troubled by the politicians who keep Sheikh Jarrah a problem. I don't vote for the ones who's style is to sit out on problems instead of fixing them. Or the ones that believe that appeasing Arabs is the solution. Or even worse, the ones that prefer the enemy over your own brothers.

    Moshe Zichmich

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  8. Yakov at Oct. 19,22 at 4:48 PM.
    Might makes right is the motto of Essav ! We are bound to aTorah of the rule of law,justice and mercy. Yes, as Rav A Y Kook indicated the ethics of natural law are binding just as any explicit commandment in the Torah. L

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    1. TBH the likes of Ben Gvir have nothing to do with Torah - that is their fig leaf, like evangelism for Republican politicians. Kook and other peaceful visionaries no longer hold any sway in 21st century ethno-nationalist Judaism. It is, in fact, more akin to "Blut und Boden" fascism -- and it will lead to the same result eventually.

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    2. Meir Moses is correct in my opinion.

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    3. Someone who refers to הגראי"ה קוק ז"ל as flippantly and disrespectfully as he did two comments above is not someone who can be taken seriously, and that's apart from the foolishness of the comments themselves.

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  9. You don't Special Forces Gedolim (with or without the Kabbalistical shem Shin Bet tatooed with a mixture of techeis and blessed wine) to tell you that waving a gun around is wrong.

    Abu Tin's little four year could tell you that.

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    1. We don't care about your opinions anymore. You don't believe in the Jewish nation.

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    2. What a strange way to exhibit disinterest. I must admit to being quite disinterested in your kefirah against metzius and the beriah myself, so my offer to you is as follows.

      The next time you or one of your other sockpuppets bores me by recapitulating your claims to indifference, I'll continue my exploration of the reasons why the evidence shows that the Almighty was misquoted as describing gay sex as an abomination. Deal?

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    3. My thoughts exactly. I've been saying this all along.

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    4. So the deal is accepted through the medium of sock puppet.

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      The distinctive eye for the eye in Vayikra 21 that so troubles the Rabbis originated verbatim in the earlier code of Hammurabi and was evidently copied down by generations of legal scholars and scribes in the year between the final form of the two codes.

      It follows that we should feel similarly free to account to early tribal prejudices that in Torah that clearly offends good sense and morality. Of course there is a Rabbinical way of doing that, which is "dibra Torah". and there is the academic way.

      Further inane kefirah of reality will invite further similar discourses. You might say it is an eye opener for an eye closer. So if this has made you uncomfortable, feel free not to provoke further such content by protesting about how much you don't care.

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    5. "So if this has made you uncomfortable"

      It hasn't made me uncomfortable at all. Apparently, you never researched Hammurabi too well. Not only are you a kofer, but a pretty dumb one too. Maybe you read a Wikipedia article or two. I have many links to share on the subject, but on principle I will not engage with flat out kofrim. To quote R' Chaim Brisker, you guys don't have questions. You are full of "tirutzim"!

      But I think the Almighty has been quoted pretty accurately about homosexuality. You just don't believe in him. Like I've been saying all along, just go to Hell!

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    6. I will not engage with flat out kofrim says the reality kofer.

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  10. Ben-Gvir did not "stop by"; his office is there. He, personally, was under attack.

    Have you ever heard of Saul Alinsky? Because you're sounding a lot like him. What's the word? Very...um...irrational.

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    1. Are you talking about his little portable gazebo?

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    2. Rabbi Slifkin,

      I’ve been following your writings for years. I usually enjoy your presentations and agree with most-but not all- of your conclusions.
      However your agenda ridden “crucifixion“ of Itamar Ben Gvir is full of hate and beyond the pale.
      The גמרא teaches
      הבא להרגך השכם להרגו.
      “If one comes to slay you, rise up and slay him first.”

      Itamar knows ( and you must learn ) that the Arab terrorists who throw rocks, iron bars, and explosives at Jews, want to kill those Jewish Targets. Any means of self-defense, including guns, is not only acceptable, but encouraged by Chazal—to save Jewish lives!!

      If you are afraid of his lack of experience in the use of firearms, then VOTE for him, put him in the government and let him assign the job to our good chayalim in the IDF. HELP HIM CHANGE THE RULES OF ENGAGEMENT. How many Jewish lives must be lost in Israel before you see that the Arabs are an ENEMY in Israel. They want all Jews dead.
      We better act fast and with conviction.
      הגיע זמן בן גביר!!!!!!

      Your continued condemnation of Otzma YEHUDIT will backfire. PLEASE STOP!!

      באהבת ישראל,
      חיים הלוי

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    3. I think you'll find that it was Ben Gvir who goes into Arab areas with weapons, not the other way around.

      Are you suggesting he should be killed?

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  11. “Many countries had removed the hostile polulations from their midst and benefited from it… Diversity is not a good thing and leads to problems… This is how evolution, survival of the fittest and natural selection work. Might makes right - always did and always will.”

    Wow, who does this remind you of?

    It’s absolutely wild hearing Jews talk like this just a couple of generations after the holocaust; ideas that no sane Jew would have dreamed of thinking or expressing in an earlier time.

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    1. In conflicts between nations it does . When have you seen it to be otherwise? Nothing has changed after the Holocust and nothing ever will. Just look at the genocide in Rwanda ehich was at double the rate of the Holocust and niether the world not the Jews were there when needed. Turks and Greeks exchanged populations and millions of Germans were removed from Eastern Europe. These actions put the end to conflicts that had lasted for centuries. Arabs and Jews are unlikely to get alone and a similar solution needs to be prepared and implemented when possible. This is exactly what the Arabs openly advocate.

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    2. I think you're right. The Assyrians, Babylonians and Romans did this in the ancient Middle East and Israel, moving and removing troublesome populations, and it worked very well. The world and especially Israel should renew this successful strategic practice for the modern age.

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    3. Sorry, Assyrians, Babylonians and Romans are now role models?

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn1VxaMEjRU

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    4. Anonymous was being ironic and sarcastic and pointing out that the Jews in Bayis Rishon and Shaini were victims of exactly such policies, these were the very approaches we rue to this day for having caused our infamous galiyot, and for which we have eternally placed the conquering nations of Assiria, Babylonia and Rome into the pantheon of eternal resha’im who drove us into exile based on just such ‘strategic approaches to ending conflict’. It would be odd and ironic indeed were we to emulate the very policies for which we curse our oppressors in tefilos and kinot to this day.

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    5. Histor.y and common sense are the role models, so to speak. Arabs, with all due respect and I mean it, are the existential enemy. The Jews have an anjustifiable feeling of contempt and moral superiority tiwards them and it will nor end well. I take them and their struggle seriously.

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  12. Left wing Jews in America consigned themselves to irrelevance by equating their religion with their politics. You’ve done the same by labeling your political and anti-religious blog a “Judaism” blog. (The “Rationalist” hubris one can only smile at). You’d be much better off not trying to define your religion by your politics.

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    1. This is utterly bizarre. There are multiple Israeli parties that equate their 'religion with their politics' - almost all on the so-called 'right' - yet I assume you somehow do not view them as 'irrelevant'

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    2. Meir Moses- precisely!

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  13. "The upcoming election on November 1 is one of the most important in Israel’s 75 years"

    Didya ever notice that the elections keep getting more and more important every cycle? Or that the gravity of the election is in proportion to the duration of the government it produces?

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  14. Yea, just March to the gas chambers and don't make a lot of noise. After all the Nazis will be mad at you

    Ssvi

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    1. Right. That's exactly the choice here.

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    2. It's amazing how the people who are the most fanatical RW Zionists are the ones who just don't understand that the point of Zionism was always to put this kind of paranoid self-pity behind us. Not to wheel it out to score points every time someone says something they don't like!

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  15. I often recall the very prescient wise words of MK Yehuda Glick after being attacked for going up to Har Habayis. He was unfazed. He said the Arab mentality despises weakness. Begrudgingly, they respect defiance and aggression. Give them an inch and they will take a foot.

    The Doves of past govts achieved little, maybe a firebrand like IBG is the kick up the Tuchus the Palestinians need

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    1. @Baal, That attitude is pure weakness. If you don't get who is strong and who isn't in Israel that you are very very insecure. It's like Ben Gvir's new campaign slogan : מי בעל הבית כאן? (Rough translation: Who is the owner of this land?"). It appeals to those who see themselves as weak. To whose who feel threatened and insecure. Objectively and clearly, the Jewish People control Israel now and are safe and secure there as we have probably never been before. I think Ben Gvir must have a very odd view of reality here if he has to ask that question. Is he really that weak? Perhaps so

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    2. No, it's a realistic understanding of the danger.

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    3. No yakov, it's weakness you feel scared walking around your own home for no reason.

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  16. Why is it a that we seem to need extremists to represent and actualize right wing goals? We need someone to fill the vaccum!

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    1. Umm, maybe its because, you know, they're not actually extremists?

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  17. I have decided to do complete teshuva and not be like the 10 spies who despised our holy land. If God decided to put our land in the hand of the current caretakers despite that they are not religious I will accept that.

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  18. Open terrorist supporters as sitting ministers do not endanger fragile Israeli democracy, and Ministry to Encourage Migration (not expulsion, peaceful migration!) does endanger fragile Israeli democracy. Arabs shooting on Jews while the security forces are forbidden to answer do not put both the security forces and the Jews at risk, and a Jew pulling his gun (not opening fire, only showing his weapon!) does put both the security forces and himself at risk.
    Typical Israeli Left hypocrisy.

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  19. After World War 2 Poland expelled its ethnic German population. Other Eastern European countries acted similarly. Winston Churchill himself had supported such transfers.

    We have suffered enough from the hostile population in this country. Judaism does not countenance the mercy and morality of fools!

    Even without the Torah to instruct us, it is clear that the moral thing to do is transfer.

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    1. Exactly! Let's bring back population transfer and make it the new normal! How could that possibly backfire against the Jewish People?

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  20. Smotrich is the bigger danger. He barely served in the army yet thinks he is fit to be שר הביטחון.It is like someone who converted to Christianity wanting to be שר הדתות.

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    1. Amir Peretz during the Lebanes war and Liberman were. Why not Smotrich? This is democracy, no? Only a country that has contempt for its enemues could have had thise people in charge.

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